U.S. focuses on training Ukrainian troops to use less ammo

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  1. USVet

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    A nice discussion on if Belarus will commit suicide and be forced into war by Putin.

     
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    True.....no, moscalis don't like truth....it's like sunlight to vampires.
     
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    They are real, and about a year or two old.

    Here is a history of the Azov Battalion, that you'd deny as nazis.
    https://www.conservapedia.com/Azov_Battalion
     
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    From reports I've read Putin has already leveraged his control over Luckashenko about as far as it will do him any good. Firstly Belarus's army was small and ill prepared for large scale military operations against external threats before the war in Ukraine started. Instead it was more focused on maintaining domestic security. ANd Moscow already has free range to utilize Belorussian territory for refurbishment, training and R&R purposes etc while it has also apparently already stripped Belarus of most of its serviceable artillery shells. Also while I do not know this to be fact given that level of access they've probably scooped all or any missiles, artillery pieces, armored vehicles and trucks etc that Belarus had in storage and which is still in serviceable shape (probably not much), hell they may even have 'requisitioned' at least some of the county's active duty combat systems as well.

    On top of that the terrain along the Belarusian/Ukraine border and in northern Ukraine itself favors the defender and is not conducive to large scale mechanized warfare operations, especially against defenders who are highly motivated and have had months to prepare defenses. And let's not forget Luckashenko's regime is highly unpopular at home. NATO would see troop concentrations forming up for any offensive Ukraine has a lot of support inside Belarus proper. So much so in fact it's almost a certainly that Ukraine's HUMINT sources on the ground there vastly outnumber Moscow's.

    Finally Luckashenko knows he's unpopular, so unpopular in fact that if large numbers of Belarusian soldiers start coming home in body bags (which they would as soon as they crossed the border) there would almost certainly be a popular revolt. And you can bet he's told Putin that.

    Taken all together? It's highly unlikely to ever happen. Putin almost certainly won't call on Bellarus to join the war if only because at this stage he'd end up having to provide the fuel, munitions and spare parts etc to make it work, after having taking it away in the first place! So he'd basically be robbing Peter to pay Paul.
     
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    No, it's those who are ignorant that don't want to know the truth.

    Here is an analogy for you.
    Do you remember there were always one or two smart students in the classroom? The same goes for society, the minority knows the truth and are smart. So you see, the majority just suck up all of MSM and bureaucratic bullshit and rhetoric, as their words are gospel to them. Being labelled ignorant isn't name-calling, it's an observation. There is a difference, just like what you perceive, as the truth.
     
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    No sense arguing with the Bandera clan. I'd have more respect for them if they just came out and said, "yes, Bandera was a nazi collaborator, we have been erecting statues of him across ukraine since 2014. Azov is a Neo-nazi group, but they don't focus on anti-semitism, they want to rid the ukraine of the ethnic Russians that inhabited these lands, except for the western 1/3 of ukraine which was Polish...where Bandera and his disciples are from. the eastern 2/3 of the ukraine was Russian for centuries until Lenin carved it out of the Russian Empire. Since 1991, we declared it a country and we want to rid it of Russians, by any means necessary, including genocide".
     
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    Yes, you'd get a better response from talking to a telegraph pole.
     
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    You respect genocidal fascist naZi invaders who rubblize cities and rape and murder civilians, Bill, so who in their right mind would be bothered by you not respecting them?
     
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    This is what you either do not understand or you ignore. Yes I never claimed that there were no “NAZI” fans in AVOV. You on the other hand keep posting the same false Kremlin-Putinist stuff which claims that AZOV is filled with 100% NAZIS. I have personal reasons not to like NAZIS because as I posted in the past my parents and other close relatives were survivors of NAZI forced labor camps. I also had Jewish family members ( through marriages) who were hunted down and killed by German NAZIS in L’viv . AZOV was founded by an extreme nationalist who as you are aware but likely deny was removed from AZOV before AZOV before AZOV was integrated into Ukrainian military defense forces. The ideology of extreme nationalism has no place in modern Ukraine. Ukraine has been a multi cultural ultimate religious and multi ethnic nation for a long time. The minority of Ukrainians who think that Ukraine should be 100% Ukrainian are fools and idiots. Yet those who claim or at best strongly imply that AZOV is NAZI is nothing but someone who spreads Kremlin -Putin-Russian lies.
    Do you ever criticize Putin’s ultra NAZI like extreme nationalism and his lies about “denazifying “ Ukraine? I have not seen any criticism from you of Putin’s anti Ukrainian and genocidal behavior and lies. Why not? Are you in love with Russian fascism and NAZISM?
     
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    How quickly you forget.
    Still not willing to accept it, so you call it Kremlin propaganda.

    Profile: Who are Ukraine’s far-right Azov regiment? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment
    Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Azov Battalion attempts rebranding https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/06/03/ykgh-j03.html
    Azov Battalion https://www.conservapedia.com/Azov_Battalion

    Genocide in Donbas 8 years long https://en.news-front.info/2022/03/01/genocide-in-donbass-8-years-long/?ysclid=lehdexg1tl837989163
    I guess for you the genocide of the Donbas, the Russian-speaking Ukrainians who had no say when their ancestors and land were given to Ukraine by Lenin, never happened because you were never told via MSM.

    Have you provided examples of Putin's "ultra NAZI like extreme nationalism"? No, you haven't. If your statement has any validity, you'd have provided it.
    I doubt you'd read or view any of it, should I provide any. As you've dismissed many past posts that would have educated you. But now you're asking for evidence, REALLY!

    [1]When you have a country that is a hub of evil dealing in weapons, drugs, child sex, human trafficking and money laundering with the western quadrant full of nazis, having CIA and USSD involvement, regime change for their nefarious plans, illegal bioweapon labs for the Pentagon, genocide and ethnic cleansing, and having knowledge of Ukraine's history, it's not hard to choose a side.

    It's not a personal choice, it's a moral one.
    What interests does the USG have with Ukraine? Most of what was mentioned in [1].
    Here is something you more than likely have no clue about, and that you're cheerleading for.

    The globalist reset agenda is failing - Is Ukraine 'Plan B'?

    Yes, the globalists have interests in Ukraine. George Soros has, big time and why? You've heard of the "New World Order", or the "Great Reset"? What about Klaus Schwab from WEF, have you heard this nutter rant?
    "We have successfully infiltrated most of the world's government cabinets".



    Now that you have some context,
    What is happening to western society, it is going stark raving mad. With all the wokeness bullshit, deliberate inflation rises, the cost of living, the erosion of country's constitutions along with the people's rights, the separation from god and transhumanism, the family unit is being destroyed, and what was frowned upon in the past is now embraced. This is the world's trajectory.
    What I understand of Putin's values are maintaining family unity, strengthening the people's spirituality through the re-vitalisation of the eastern-Orthodox Church and national sovereignty are just some. A very different perspective to what you think is reality.
     
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    Timey....I got another Operator starsky vid.....wanna see....you'll learn something....other than youre posting rubbish here.:)
     
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    I only read the last sentence of your missive. I will no longer will bother reading your Russian, Kremlin, Putin crock of lies that you repeat here. You obviously hate Ukrainians and all you do is pick up anti Ukrainian propaganda.
    One last piece of news for you is that Putin is not religious he only uses the ROC just as Stalin did but he is smoother doing it.

    Dopobachinya ——— I am just being civil because I am done with you nonsense.
     
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    Of course, you won't you'd prefer the lies you've been fed by MSM and the info they don't cover. Well done, stay in your world of fantasy:applause:
    No, this is from the research I've done. My perspective was not influenced by anything or anyone other than my own findings. But you can't see that, as your thoughts and perspectives on the subject are not your own, one from MSM and others that have no clue and would rather perpetuate in delusion.
    Once again, you're wrong. Can you show me where I stated I hate Ukies? You can't because I never did. There is a minority that is foul, the rest are innocent bystanders, but you would make such a judgement to help with your rubbish argument.
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    Bullshit. It is an opinion of yours that is pure conjecture. If you were correct, you'd cite anything that would back your claim, but you don't because you can't.
    However, I like to rub your face in it.
    Putin and the Orthodox Church: how his faith shapes his politics
    No clue what you're stating here, it's not even in Google translate.
    Yeah, you should know when to run from an argument that you know you can't win because I have more facts and evidence of what I claim. All you have is anecdotes, opinions and conjecture. The truth hurts as it doesn't care about anyone's feelings.

    Another one bites the dust.


     
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    "Goodbye" in Ukrainian.
     
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    Billy....90 % of Azov are russki speakers and hail from Easter Ukraine

    Timey....I got some Starsky vids....wanna see....latest one is excellent....you'll actually learn something.
     
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    It is....but Timey wouldn't understand....strikes me as learning deficient.
     
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    Thanks for the interpretation.
     

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