The definition of a Hate Group is completely unbiased. I don't "think" that Whites and Christians are the only ones that form Hate Groups but I'm not stupid either. The fact that the majority of groups that meet the defintion of Hate Group are predominately "White" and "Christian" is nothing but a fact that we must accept. It does not imply that there was any bias in the identification of these groups. It's not a question of "thinking" but instead of simply being able to "count" but apparently many "whites" and "Christians" are incapable of even counting. I'd like to bring up an analogy using the movie Days of Thunder. Tom Cruise was a former open wheel driver just learning about driving a stock car. He'd overdrive the car wearing out the tires and wanted to blame the car. He'd wear out the tires, blow a tire, and wreck and he blamed the car. But the problem wasn't the car, it was the driver that overdrove the car wearing out the tires. Today we have a lot of problems that are associated with race and the racists want to blame those that are subjected to the oppression of racism accusing them of being the problem but they're not the problem. It's the racist that is oppressing person based upon their race that is the problem. The racist is "wrecking the car" and the car is not the problem but the racist continues to blame the car.
Shiva, then we have discovered a flaw in the definition of Hate Group. The Democratic Party is a Hate Group. All Hate Groups must be extirpated...no exceptions.
Let's look at a couple of hate groups. Starting off, glance at this White natiavist group called "Our Race" had to say in their literature: “In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal Hispanic invasion of our nation, we, the Aryan inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of America from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of Northern European ansestry, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. … America belongs to those who were first to plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the invading Hispanics. … We are a White people with a White culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the Aryan land, we are a nation, we are a union of free pioneers, we are the Race. For our White race completely, everything outside our race, nothing.” That sounds pretty racist to me, what about to you? The truth of the matter is there is no group called "Our Race", I only took what La Raza (the Race in Spanish) said in their literature, and substituted a few words. Here is what they said: “In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. … Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. … We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.” http://www.humanevents.com/2006/04/07/emexclusive-emthe-truth-about-la-raza/ La Raza isn't included as a hate group by liberals and most of their "experts on hate" like the SPLC.
Going by the threads and posts of those that I believe are " social-conservatives" on Political Forum I would draw these conclusions. "Social-conservates" hate blacks. "Social-conservates" hate Mexicans and Hispanics. "Social-conservates" hate Muslims. "Social-conservates" hate athiests. "Social-conservates" hate homosexuals. "Social-conservates" hate women. "Social-conservates" hate the US Constitution. "Social-conservates" hate the Inalienable Rights of the Person. "Social-conservates" hate having an African-American President. "Social-conservates" hate liberals. And "progressive-liberals" hate........?????????????? Of course this is a non-scientific conclusion based upon the anecdotal evidence from posts on Political Forum but then "Social-conservates" wouldn't believe it if it was based upon a scientific study because "Social-conservates" hate science.
WOW - The lengths of deception the "right" will go to is absolutely amazing. This is as bad as the Republican distortions related to Benghazi where Republican staffers changed emails and then presented these fraudulent emails to ABC News claiming a conspiracy by the Obama Administration and as bad as the Republican attack on the Obama Administration related to the IRS probes of "tea party" organizations that orginated from a "conservative" manager working at the IRS. So here we have a quotation from one chapter MEChA that is comprised of US Citizens of Hispanic descent. MEChA is not La Raza and yet the final statement is La Raza should be classified as a hate group. The statement provided does not express any hatred of anyone but instead promotes the interests of Hispanic US citizens. We may not agree with their political opinion but that doesn't make them a hate group. Jesus (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Christ!!! People should try being at least somewhat honest but honesty apparently isn't a trait of social-conservatives.
Do you think conservatives have any obligation whatsoever to work in good faith with their mortal enemies?
Mortal enemies? Seriously? Sounds a bit like a drama queen. As Americans we need to work together for the betterment of the country but Republicans choose not to do that.
It's hard to convey the magnitude of hatred and animosity that have severed all obligations from each side to the other. Let me be real clear. Uncle Sam has to go down in order for my kith and kin to live without fear. That means I have given up all hope for Uncle Sam, and now see his supporters as mortal enemies.
Its really difficult to warm up to finger pointers. Giving people the benefit of the doubt, instead of hating and belittling everything they stand for would be a good start. "they hate because they are Conservatives" "they are ignorant because they are Republicans" "all social conservatives are bigots" "Conservatives are racists" One has to read and listen to it every day, here and elsewhere, and one wonders when it will stop. Tolerance goes both ways and we can't put people on the defensive all day without reaping resentment. Its like rubbing salt in a wound, and those organizations who make it their mission to do so are the biggest culprits of all. Lets found organizations who seek out the best in people for once, instead of those who are trying to make themselves look good by making others look worse.
You said you were not "naive" when thinking there are other hate groups outside those that are White and/or Christian, but you are very naive not to understand that the Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate group itself. I did mix MEChA's words in with La Raza's, but the two groups are very close, and La Raza has had members of MEChA speak at their meetings. I see the MEChA is just another arm of La Raza. Because your worldview is little different than that of the SPLC's---that it primarly the ubiquitous White racist doing most of the "hating," your fail to recognize the hatred among your own allies. I'm certainly not the only one to see through this: While bashing restrictionists, the SPLC gives a free pass to pro-immigration groups, no matter how blatant their racial and hateful agendas may be. Take, for example, the National Council of La Raza (the Race), an alleged civil rights group, which the SPLC endorses.11 La Raza labors endlessly to reward illegal immigrants with amnesty and other benefits while fighting any measure to enforce immigration law. What this has to do with civil rights is anyones guess. The black civil rights movement, whose mantle La Raza wishes to claim, stressed the importance of citizenship and the rule of law. La Raza belittles both, in pursuit of its apparent goal of building numbers and racial clout for Hispanics at the expense of other Americans. The name of the organization says it all, despite its absurd claim that La Raza doesnt really mean The Race. Any legitimate Spanish-English dictionary will lay that evasion to rest. Despite its name, La Raza claims respectability, and the press generally takes that at face value. But if the media bothered to probe any further, they would find that La Raza funds Hispanic separatist charter schools, and on at least one occasion it funded a branch of MEChA, a Spanish acronym meaning the Chicano Students of Aztlan.12 Aztlan is the territory, comprising our southwestern states, that Hispanic separatists want as a country of their own. John Leo, a columnist for U.S. News and World Report, had this to say about MEChA: A MEChA...slogan translates as For the race everything. For those outside the race, nothing. El Plan de Aztlan, a founding document carried now on many MEChA Internet websites, talks of the need to reclaim the Southwest (Aztlan) from the occupying forces of the oppressor. As if the Nazi-like call to the power of the blood is not scary enough, Miguel Perez Cal State MEChA raised the issue of ethnic cleansing. Once Aztlan has been taken over, he said, non-Chicanos would have to be expelled and opposition groups quashed because you have to keep the power.13 To the question of why SPLC does not list MEChA as a hate group, Potok stated, We have not listed MEChA [as a hate group] because, despite...characterization of it as a hard-left Hispanic group, we have found no evidence to support charges that the organization is racist or anti-Semitic.14 http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_20_3/tsc_20_3_vinson.shtml
Do you think liberals have any obligation whatsoever to work in good faith with their mortal enemies? And when you put the two statements together you have the core problem in the USA today, we have lost the ability to compromise.
The strongest force in the world today is ethnocentrism. That's what's going to happen in the US. The polity may stay together, but it will have a separate nation within a nation to contend with.
