UAW goes on Strike --- First Time in History Workers Will Picket All Big Automakers At Same Time

JFC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you even know what a deduction is………lemme get that for you…You DO NOT

 

JFCTAGO.......do you even know what is a subsidy? Do young think if I deduct from my revenues the cost of a new copier that is a subsidy? And I note you can't list any specific SUBSIDIES. Where is my subsidy everytime I buy gas?

 

I'll take your running away as your admittance there are no subsidies on my purchasing an ICE vehicle let only on the gas to power it nor is the government building or subsidizing new gas stations or anything like EV subsidies.

 

YES and it didn't take government intervention or subsidy it was THE FREE MARKET. Just as with automobiles versus hirse and buggy.

 

And later, oil versus coal.

 

The EV push is led by political agenda, and nothing else.
When will EVs take a real hold on the market?
When the market is willing to pay for the vehicles offered and deal with the logistical issues they bring with them.
Not before.

 

OK, so maybe that reference is a bridge too far for your understanding. Let's try this. First, a summary of the proposed rules from a progressive EV fan boy site so even Bowerbird can't claim I'm relying on Fox News:

https://electrek.co/2023/04/12/epa-releases-new-emissions-rule-60-ev-by-2030-saves-us-trillions/

Now some simple technical stuff. Shouldn't have to post links to any of this since it's easily Google-able.

Chemically all combustion takes Hydrocarbons (HC) and Oxygen (O2) and combusts them into Carbon Dioxide (CO2) and water (H2O). With the exception of very small amounts of actual pollutants caused by the the rapidly changing temperatures and pressures in the combustion chamber, automotive exhaust gas is about 30% CO2, 30% H2O, and 40% Nitrogen (which is roughly 79% of the earth's atmosphere).

We also know that 1 gallon of gasoline yields 19.6 pounds of CO2 (diesel is a bit more, something like 22 lbs).

And 1 pound equals 453.6 grams.

Now for an example calculation that can be used with these facts, let's look at my truck; a 2017 F150 with a 5.0L V8. Looking at my dashboard I can see that I typically average 19 Miles Per Gallon (MPG). I could also take the time to look up the US Government estimates on the original window sticker, but it really doesn't matter for this example.

So to get the EPA measure of engine CO2:

19.6/19 = 1.03 lbs per mile x 453.6 = 467.9 grams CO2 per mile.

Pretty reasonable and fairly simple. This helps normal people work through what this means to them personally. All one needs to do is exactly the same calculation only using your vehicle's MPG.

So let's use this process backwards. The article mentions the current standard of 347 gCO2/mi. Now what is that in MPG?

347÷453.6 = 0.765 lbs per mile. 19.6 ÷ 0.765 = 25.6 miles per gallon.

Okay, the current standard seems pretty reasonable (thank you, Donald Trump!).

So now we can calculate what the standard will mean in 2032 in terms that are widely understood, even by lay people with no technical background (funny how EPA seems to be hiding the point behind unfamiliar math).

The standard reduces requirements by 13% a year. So the standard in 2032 is 82 gCO2/mi. Now, what is that in standard MPG?

82 ÷ 453.6 = 0.18. 19.6 ÷ 0.18 = 108.9 MPG!

109 mpg?!?! WTF? Quick test- how many vehicles get 109 mpg? A lot of motorcycles don't even get 109 mpg!

So how do they intend to do that? Easy, as noted in the article- force people to buy EVs. They expect 67% of vehicle sales to be technically inferior EVs. I don't know the medium or heavy duty vehicle (semis, etc.) standards but the article states that EPA will require 50% of those to be EVs by 2032.

We have crossed the Rubicon with this action. Government run economies always suck and this action will turn the management of the economy over to unqualified government morons.

Now do you believe me?

FFS.

 

The rule is “average FLEET Co2 emissions”

Doesnt that mean that they can produce the electric vehicles with almost zero emissions, then produce the EC vehicles to make the “average” ?

I will do more research, but Great post, and thanks for the detail

My only push would be that when the next president gets in, the EPA will change that rule if its a republican, if this is true

 

Right. They do count EVs as 0 CO2 emissions. That's where they get the 67% from. That makes up for the 33% that do emit CO2.

However, I'd guess my normally aspirated 5.0L Coyote is dead.

And if the agency gets through the process in time, it can't be revised by the next person. The only reason Trump could override and redo Obama's regulations was Obama's EPA was late getting them done. I don't think they'll have the same option with Biden's EPA.

However, there's always Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo coming up in I think October. If Chevron deference dies, so does EPA's authority to regulate CO2 and it will all go back to NHTSA's CAFE regulations. Same standards, but the structure of those regs is easy to violate. All an automaker needs to do is pay a small fine after the model year is over.

It might jack up prices a bit, but it won't kill the industry.

 

Like CAFE standards-there are manufacturers that have NEVER met them.

 

So Biden joins the picket line for twelve minutes. Yes, twelve minutes. Then he’s off to a fund raiser with liberal millionaires.

There are two angles to this, he can choose the workers or he can choose the stockholders, and I’m betting there are more stockholders than workers.

Once again the guy who said he would be president for all Americans had proven he’s not.

 

Just what wondering.,..did Biden tell the strikers to learn to code?

 

It's backdoor banning as they set total ban dates in the future.

 

if you want to work on ICE cars anymore, it's a good skill to have

 

Ahhhh, yet another conspiracy…..

 

Why in the world does the US government need to make laws regarding the power source of cars?

 

Because if we dont:

1. we may not be able to inhabit the planet.
2. We are funding terrorism by buying gas
3. 80% of the money used to buy gas goes to foreign countries.

I can continue… ?

 

Because the Chinese need our money.

(You're right. It's blindingly stupid in so many ways).

 

What-- did everyone lose interest in this story? I came on, to pass along that the UAW came to a tentative agreement with Stellantis, and I notice that no one seems to have even posted about this week's settling of the strike with Ford. A few workers are even back on the job, over there. That only leaves GM, left to go.

 

If y'all don't mind my inserting another post about the UAW strike--

BREAKING NEWS: UAW Union agrees to deal w/ the last of the Big 3, Gen'l Motors. Their deals for all 3 automakers will need be approved by union membership, but the union is confident enough of this, to have already told workers for Ford and Stellantis, to return to the job; apparently they'd negotiated a very good deal for workers, including a 25% hike in base pay, and improved retirement benefits. The workers also received some assurances against losing their jobs, with the move to electric vehicles.

This makes me curious as to how much more the union had been asking, to have caused management to balk, and so to allow the strike (which course would only be logical for the automakers, if they'd felt that the workers being on strike, would make them more receptive to a lower offer). Or was it the car companies who'd buckled, under the strike, & so gave workers close to everything the union had been asking?