UK Epidemiologist: Lockdown was a ‘monumental mistake’ and must not happen again

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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    The evidence is painfully clear: Lockdowns have been a historic disaster.

    The cherry-picked "experts" who engineered these lockdowns were nothing more than opportunistic charlatans chasing prestige.

    The populist support for the lockdowns (astonishing that such a thing even exists) appears to be nothing more than a toxic coalition of hyper-partisan liberals, hypochondriacs, and agoraphobics who watch way too much CNN and spend way too much time on social media.

    Despite their laughable pretenses of neutrality and objectivity, the mainstream media coverage and reporting on COVID has been obscenely biased and skewed from the beginning. Organizations like the New York Times and the Washington Post are nothing more than liberal propaganda mills spewing disinformation 24/7.

    And no matter how much evidence there is demonstrating the sheer madness of lockdowns, supporters of the lockdowns will never admit to being so damn wrong.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I would say the populist support for the lockdowns is in large part the direct result of a century worth of the manipulation of the public perception by way of fear, by those very skilled in the dark art, the bureaucratic descendants of Edward Bernays and Josef Goebbels.
     
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    The Democrat COVID Hoax: The most dangerous mass delusion since Nazism
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    Yup.
     
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    I'll bet Herman Caine's family wishes he stayed the **** home!
     
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    Is that Michael Caine's brother?

    Anyway, yeah - the Democrat COVID Hoax is the most dangerous mass delusion since Nazism.
     
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    a family member might have passed it to him. There is no support of your assertion other than..........orange man bad

    Or, do you have the contact tracing report of Herman Cain and would like to share with us? Maybe it reveals that he caught covid from being outside and unmasked

    partisan BS over a virus
     
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    why should this come as a surprise? Panic and media hysteria has driven the "rational measures as stated by media"" taken by leftists and statists. Lockdowns were an abject failure and did not stop the virus. Nobody will ever know if flattening of the curve was due to lockdowns or if we could have stayed the course. Sweden was never overwhelmed. Australia is in Lockdown 2.0 because makig up and locking down failed the first time so why not do it again? It's all about appearances of doing something, and to heck with the consequences.

    Keep in mind, those making the decisions of lockdown, 1/2 capacity restaurants, closed gyms, shuttering small businesses etc will continue to be paid as they are paid by taxpayer dollars. They never suffer any financial consequence for their mismanagement.

    Let us not forget that wonderful mayor in LA who turned off utilities to a private residence because they dared have friends and family over outdoors and didn't wear masks
     
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    Maybe since 911.

    Goebbels maxim in play--tell a lie often enough, use the fear factor liberally, and the lie will become true in the minds of the masses.
     
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    People fell in love with that pretty chart called flattening the curve even though that chart was only theoretical. I would not go so far as to say that quarantining areas wouldn't have worked, but whole states or whole countries was foolish.
     
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    ~ Quarentein only works if done at the very beginning .
     
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    Nancy showed her reaction when the admin blocked travel from China into the USA

    media had forgotten all about this and the position of media as well

     
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    ~ Yes - but the media ignored this . They know what's going on. Remember they did a "special report" on nutty Nancy's ice cream collection. The news has its' priorities . :?
     
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    Psychology is the most effective tool in the authoritarian toolbox. This has been known since the first monarchs arose in places like Mesopotamia, Egypt, China, etc. Force is generally used as a last resort when psychology fails to work. Controlling someone's mind is a far more effective way to obtain their obedience than brute force.
     
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    Why? Do viruses magically stay away from homes?
     
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    Having people stay home is the standard way you stop the spread of a virus. If you want to read into it as some political motive, be my guest. But you can't argue that if you stay away from people as much as possible, viruses can't spread. I mean you can argue that but you would be wrong. So the purpose of the lock down was to control the spread of the virus. If we had properly prepared for this known threat, we maybe could have avoided it. And yet, we still seem to struggle with supplies of PPE and for some reason we seem to think testing is just a nice thought. The sooner you control the virus, the sooner you can get the economy back. It's that simple. Don't over-complicate it with wishful thinking.
     
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    ~ Are you implying that the world was expected to know that China was going to unleash a highly contagious virus on the world ..?
     
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    Maybe not 'expected' with the specifics but we know China doesn't give a **** about the international community.
     
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    ~ This is true. However I do not think any nation expected China to commit an act of international terrorism. The Wuhan virus was totally avoidable. Some would even say this was an act of war.
    Hopefully they will be held accountable and we will see the end of the Chinese Communist government .
     
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    No, it isn't. Having SICK people stay home is the standard way to SLOW the spread of a virus. There is no way to STOP a virus from spreading.
     
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    Not true. One State in Australia did it AFTER second wave started, and reduced new daily cases from around 700 a day to around a 100 a day, in a month. Other states had the beginnings of that second wave (thanks to the above State, prior to borders closing), but have managed to keep daily numbers in the single digits now that borders have closed. Borders closed in JULY .. not March.
     
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    ~ If they started to quarentein immediately after the second wave that would be the beginning. Hopefully there is not a third wave .
     
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    When is the start? One person? 20 people? 100 people? It's always after the start no matter what that start point is, and in this case they waited much longer than they should have. They tried things like locking down single buildings, then individual suburbs. The only thing that brought the rapidly increasing numbers down was restricting all movement, and making masks mandatory everywhere but in the home. They're allowed to leave the house for one hour a day only, and it must be alone or with one other from same household, and must be within 5km of home. No one is allowed out after 8pm, period. So you see, it's never too late.

    Edited to add that it goes without saying, people from that State are quarantined in the State. All borders are closed, and they cannot travel to any other part of the country. Only freight can come through, and it's being managed with thorough infection controls and careful isolation of drivers etc.
     
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    ~ This is very important. EU has open border free travel - that is likely why it spread so fast . Remember that is how the Spanish flu killed so many. It was contained until travel was resumed .
    Sadly this was all avoidable if China and WHO has been honest with the information.
     

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