Ukraine – In the Grip of Propaganda

One day, when the cacophony of lies drowning out the truth of what has happened in Ukraine since the violent Maidan power grab last year is silenced, the entire episode will furnish rich material for social psychologists.
That is, assuming the true facts ever become generally known in the West, for there are plenty of historical examples that the truth does not always “prevail,” as the adage goes. Instead, people’s views of history are largely formed by myths, and ever since Herodotus, the “father of history,” what we call history has been more legend than an impartial documentation of fact.
It is telling that in all the major European languages except English, the word “history” means both “history” and “story” — in other words, there is an awareness, at least in our languages, that history is a story, i.e. that it is made up. Even in English, the two words have the same etymology.
When Ukrainians overwhelmingly backed the overthrow of the constitutional government by the putschist-led mob in Kiev, it was the result of a massive deluge of hysterical, usually nonsensical, fantastical, and always Russophobic, propaganda. http://en.hunternews.ru/?p=718
The western authorities have grown the skill of propaganda to the highest level. And they had too much possibilities and countries for experiments to make it perfect. So I doubt if Ukraine has any possibility to breake these brain chains.

 

Glazkov - former Olympic "hero" from Ukraine - flees from his country to escape the military draft and is given refuge here in the USA


For years we have been hearing from right wingers how there are too many immigrants and that the door should be closed to them. Here is a DRAFT DODGER using our borders to escape from his country. A "champion" who isn't man enough to fight for his own country!


Where are the right wing critics now???

 

He made a mistake. He should escape to Russia or, better yet, join Donbas rebels.

 

The situation is even worse. Propaganda in all forms is being designed for all ages. Punitive forces recruiting immature youngsters to commit crimes against population to intimidate any forms of protest. Communists in the former Soviet Union did so for 70 years, but it did not help, after all.

 

Made up stuff.

 

But if he joined the Ukrainian army, he would be supporting the occupation of his country, by a fascist government.

 

Like the Russian propaganda that Russian troops were not involved in the takeover of Crimea, which Russia now admits to, the same is happening in the Ukraine.

 

Glazkov, barely won his last fight actually in many eyes he lost the fight.....
BTW why the hell would the Ukrainians want to enlist a guy who is moving up in the rankings an can be a serious contender?

 

Well they're not as disciplined as the Nazis were, but the concepts and hatreds towards the 'untermenschen' is the same.


[video=youtube;WPcilPbC0uA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPcilPbC0uA[/video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPcilPbC0uA

 

Either you're a victim of propaganda, or you're a part of it, but you certainly do not know the turn of events. Everything Moscow did was legal, unlike the US which started off with an illegal coup and takeover of a sovereign nation, and then continued the illegality with the precept that if we make black white, and white black, and keep repeating it people will believe it...and the hell with the law. It's propaganda that reigns!

This video gives a good explanation, I suggest you watch it.


[video=vimeo;123194285]https://vimeo.com/123194285[/video]

If it's not appearing, you can see it here, I hope!

https://vimeo.com/123194285

 

Either you're a victim of propaganda, or you're a part of it, but you certainly do not know the turn of events. Everything Moscow did was legal, unlike the US which started off with an illegal coup and takeover of a sovereign nation, and then continued the illegality with the precept that if we make black white, and white black, and keep repeating it people will believe it...and the hell with the law. It's propaganda that reigns!

This video gives a good explanation, I suggest you watch it.


[video=vimeo;123194285]https://vimeo.com/123194285[/video]

If it's not appearing, you can see it here, I hope!

https://vimeo.com/123194285

 

You mean I am not in the grip of Russian propaganda.

 

You of course do realise the "other" side aka other intrest groups/russians in ukraine and russia itself is just as much and even more busy with a PR war?


Lets see what would be best for ukraine. A gradual western influence to get Democracy or russian style olicharchy/dictatorship.

 

Absolute and total BS. Russia did not have any right to interfere internaly in ukraine or occupy part of it . period.

If you do keep believing this, give the excact agreements where russia has the right to invade crimea or support militants groups with money weapons and troops.

 

So just 20 years after Russia made an international agreement which stipulated that in exchange for Ukraine's nukes, Russia will never invade Ukraine, Russia acted legally to solve a problem in Ukraine, and as a coincidental, side bonus of that legal action, Russia gets a Black Sea port, the strategic importance of which has been discussed for centuries?

I'm to believe this isn't about Russia acquiring Black Sea access because why?

 

I guess then you consider the lives of the Russians in Crimea as dispensable as the ones in Donbas?

 

I don't know about him, but I don't consider the lives of Russians in Crimea dispensable. I believe that we should work to prevent a quirk of geography from influencing us to violence. In my mind, clearly Russia needs access to the Black Sea. Geography has laid it just out of reach of the people of Russia. But considering Russia's size (and economic necessities it entails), history, and cultural benefit to the world, I think Russia should have access to the Black Sea. I think it would be counterproductive to anyone trying to prevent Russia from such access. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with Putin, and the way he has done it. I know the peaceful solution to Russia's need for access is difficult, but that just means work harder, and get it done, peacefully. And respect the international agreements that have already been made.

 

Thier lives were never in any danger. Not until Russian terrorists starterd invading Ukraine by order if the kremlin. Oh wait. I forgot about the evil nazi junta US backed there to exterminate all Christians and Russians because Russia is gods chosen temple and.... Blah blah blah

 

If by some happenstance, California became a part of Mexico, and then an illegal government of American haters took over the Mexican government and began terrorizing and killing the hated 'gringos', and then passed an anti English law, how would you feel? Would you leave the English speaking Californians to their fate, or would you feel an obligation and take them back into the US.

Just because certain people can think only in monetary terms, and will never do anything unless they have a self serving interest, doesn't mean that's how Vladimir Putin or the Russians feel. What those people think of Crimea is merely a reflection of themselves. Simply put, they're projecting their own mercenary intents into others..

 

The video in my post #11 explains everything that happened. Please watch it, because it tells what was going on in Ukraine right from the start...and it's very accurate. There was a pogrom that was never mentioned in our media, where three hundred Crimean protesters went to Kiev to protest against Maidan, and they were all tortured and harassed for hours. Seven of them died.

Listen to the tales of the survivors. The intent of the government of Kiev was to ethnically cleanse almost the whole population of Crimea. Tell me what right did they have in ethnically cleansing an area of its original inhabitants? This is what they're trying to do in the Donbas and its tragic...and we are accomplices to the crimes and thereby just as guilty.

 

Nothing but 9/11 truther style propaganda and bull crap.

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That's stupid. There is no context in that example. Like for example, why is California part of Mexico?

 

Please post that agreement, because if I recall correctly we destroyed the nukes because we feared they would be sold to terrorists.

As for the promise not to deploy Nato troops in former Soviet nations, here's an excerpt of the speech by NATO Secretary General Manfred Wörner on 17 May 1990. It is still available on the NATO website here:

http://nato.int/docu/speech/1990/s900517a_e.htm

"...This will also be true of a united Germany in NATO. The very fact that we are ready not to deploy NATO troops beyond the territory of the Federal Republic gives the Soviet Union firm security guarantees. Moreover we could conceive of a transitional period during which a reduced number of Soviet forces could remain stationed in the present-day GDR. This will meet Soviet concerns about not changing the overall East-West strategic balance. Soviet politicians are wrong to claim that German membership of NATO will lead to instability. The opposite is true. Europe including the Soviet Union would gain stability. It would also gain a genuine partner in the West ready to cooperate..."

http://russia-insider.com/en/nato-leader-did-promise-not-expand-heres-proof-his-own-words/5148

 

He says NATO "will not deploy troops beyond the federal republic". It says nothing about not letting other nations, decades from now, make the self determining decision to JOIN NATO, of their own free will choice and desire.

 

Jeanette, it is a very nice video, reenacted well and with Putin at his convincing best.

I am inclined to believe it when Putin states everything he had done was strictly legal, including not using more than the preapproved amount of 20,000 troops. I am also inclined to believe the situation so far is resolving as the majority of the people in Crimea desired.

Of course this was in the interest of Russia, but after seeing how the Donetsk area was bombed to smithereens only a fool could believe the Crimea would have been better off not defending itself.

In my opinion only pathologically ill, power-mad people would attempt to block the development and legitimate and fair interests of a great power.

So far I seem to have watched only the first half of the video; it must be at least two hours long. I feel Russia is being very responsible in attempting to document its take on the situation and to show how committed it is to its stance.

Thank you for taking the time to post the video.

 

The problem doesn't relate to what Russia did with the nukes afterwards. Ukraine does not have nukes today. They don't because after the Soviet Union fell apart, the Ukraine gave up those nukes. And one of the primary reasons they gave them up is that Russia agreed never to attack Ukraine. Sort of similar to the reason that Russian missiles aren't in Cuba. Because the US promised never to invade that island. Making deals and adhering to them is important in intl relations.