Ukraine is winning, or is it? Do we even know what 'winning is'?

While some Politicians are claiming we have driven Russia out of half of Ukraine,
are clearly winning, and the other half will soon follow,

I have to ask if square miles is the measure of success?

It was in the Middle Ages because agricultural land was the basis of wealth
so each baron tried to gain land off other barons.

 

By the time of the US Civil War, General Grant counted destroying the enemy army as
the measure that mattered, while General Sherman was destroying transport systems,
industry, and civilian property as he went across Georgia.

Different measures of success

 

In Ukraine Pres. Vlad wants no nuclear missiles, and perhaps even no NATO weapons
at all in neighboring Ukraine,

The US Military Industrial Complex just wants money for the weapons they make, Congress
wants kick backs, and the high ups in Ukraine are getting very rich off bribes so it seems
everyone is happy.

If Vlad gets no big weapons next door, the MIC gets a pile of money, and govt officials
here and over in Ukraine get plenty of money, then Everyone Wins.

 

Things are escalating and Putin will never back down. Why isn't someone trying to negotiate a peace deal?

NATO Gives Ukraine the Go-Ahead to Cross Putin's Red Line

The NATO secretary general also spoke about the effort to deliver F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine, saying that it was "impossible to say exactly" when the aircraft would be ready for battle.

"We all want the F-16s to be there as soon as possible," Stoltenberg told Radio Liberty. "At the same time, of course, the effect of the F-16 will be stronger and better with more trained pilots. And not only pilots, but also maintenance, personnel and all the support systems that must be in place."

F-16 jets have been provided to Ukraine by a variety of NATO members, and training programs on the modern aircraft are taking place in the U.S., United Kingdom, Denmark and Romania.

https://www.newsweek.com/nato-gives-ukraine-go-ahead-cross-putins-red-line-1872629

 

The F-16s are I understand in many cases near the end of their fatigue lives,
so the air forces that contributed planes will get not just new planes as
replacements but most likely better ones like F-35s.

The Russians will get to test their anti-aircraft missiles and the 'defense' industry
will get some more plane orders.

I think the Russians understand our need for wars.

 

Serious question: What if Putin uses tactical nukes on Ukrainian forces, how does the world respond?

 

Serious answer: he has never seen the Ukrainians as enemies which is one reason he didn't do the Russian blitz on
Ukraine or the 'shock and awe' as the US calls it.

I don't watch the news so it might be saying something else.

 

I think even the news may have remarked that Russia was moving slowly, hoping someone would
agree to negotiate, but so far it hasn't worked.

 

He sees them as slaves, not enemies. Hard to exploit irradiated ashes

 

Ukraines definition of success is independence as a country with all circa 2014 borders reestablished and join NATO. 2nd tier success would be independence but loss of territory with joining nato. There is no 3rd tier.

The Wests definition is all of Ukraines 1st tier definition plus the added benefit of Russias military deteriorated as much as possible, of which there is no limit.

as things stand now, all of Ukraines definitions are obviously yet to be realized but Russias deterioration is already a juicy thing to behold and it’s getting worse every day.

 

One thing for sure, we will never hear the truth on who is winning the war -- if either side is winning.

 

Ukraine is winning, or is it? Do we even know what 'winning is'?

Russia is winning for the past few months. They are back to taking territory.

 

Ukraine was slaughtering the Russian Neighborhoods that are now safely behind Russian lines, and Ukraine is never going to drive them out.

 

The peace treaty agreed on and finalized on Apr 1 2022 had that, but Zelensky thought he could get a better deal.
And both the US and UK promised him a better deal, and it is said, some more bribes.

 

Russia has never agreed to a peace deal involving ceding the Donbas and Crimea. You are woefully misinformed

 

I would really like to see the text of the armistice agreed on Apr 1 2022, but subsequently cancelled by Zelensky on the advice of the US and UK.

 

A report from diplomats involved is that Donbas was to remain de-militarized, and politically autonomous
in the terms of the armistice of Apr 1 2022.
If you come across the text that would be great.

And Crimea was not to be handed over to the US imposed government in Kyiv, placed in Kyiv in Feb 2014,
Sevastopol has been Russian since 1783.

 

The administrative boundaries when the USSR devolved were not designed to be
national borders, so various arrangements were made subsequently, for example
Russia paid in gas prices a certain, rather stingy, amount to lease Sevastopol
until 2017 then made a further arrangement until 2042.

All was well until Joe B*******************! sent Zelenskyy a load of weapons in
2021 and bribed him to fight Russia.

 

The measure of victory was kicking Russia out of Ukraine. Ever since that became strategically unlikely, there has been no revision. We are currently funding a war with no clear and achievable objectives. Again.

...which is the BEST kind of war if you are selling weapons, of course.

 

But Russia wouldn't be in Ukraine if we hadn't formed a NATO trained and equipped army
of 680,000 in Ukraine, and threatened to put the same missiles in Ukraine was we've already
put in Romania and Poland, and won't allow inspection to see if the launchers have missiles
with conventional warheads or the Tomahawks which could be nuclear.

It's been a big case of hubris and bad diplomacy on our part.

And then we blame it all on Russia.

 

The USA didn't attack anyone -- Russia attacked Ukraine.

 

Sure...so why then does Putlerstan send missiles to his "bratvah"?

 

The USA supplied artillery shells and M777 to Kyiv which they used primarily
to bombard the Russian speaking population of the city of Donetsk.

That could be predicted because the comparatively small amounts of
shells they had previously they used in the same way.

 

Ukraine isn't winning.

'Canada Awarded $4 Million to Remove Land Mines in Ukraine in a 'Gender Inclusive' Manner.'

This isn't satire.



'Justin Trudeau is spending $4 million to promote gender-transformative removal of explosives in Ukraine.'

Yeah, I don't think they wrote that sentence very well.

Actually this is a big deal to the UN



Can't let men have all the demining fun!

One must prove they are worthing to be on a DEI Demining crew



How come no "Q" in LGBT and what's "I"?

For my mine clearing, I fine with anyone who can disarm and remove it without detonating it, and I don't really care about any of their other characteristics or proclivities.

As for Ukraine, how are we winning at anything when this is the dominant focus?

 

Oh, for God's sake! This was probably Biden's idea.