UN chief says world is on ‘highway to climate hell’ as planet endures 12 straight months of unpreced

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    https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/05/climate/12-months-record-heat-un-speech/index.html

    I think the science is pretty substantial that humans have an effect on climate. But the resolve coming from politicians are absolutely idiotic. They want to shutdown the use of oil, coal, propane, natural gas fluke they want to ban guns. Meaning for everyone but them. Do they realize how many lives would be lost if we all the sudden quit using fossil fuels? We would cut our food supply to a fraction of its current state, we would cause elderly to lose the ability to heat and cool their homes. Yes hydrocarbon refrigerants contain propane. Also the electricity to run A/C’s would also be cut into a fraction of current supply if we quit using coal and natural gas based electric plants. How many people you think would die from starvation , heat, or cold if not for fossil fuels?

    These idiots think this is somehow controllable. I’m positive that some lefty will start a war in the name of climate change cause the only real way to control the human foot print is to have less human feet on the earth. People can’t afford to just go buy electric cars either and even if they could we don’t have the electrical grid capacity for everyone to charge them. This screaming from the high ends of the UN is pointless and moronic.
     
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    Where in the article did it state "for everyone but them"? And "ban guns" - where is that mentioned?
    Please provide data that shows that it is not possible to transition to renewables using the constantly-improving power storage methods. Bear in mind that the state of Iowa gets 70% of it's power from wind.
    I would argue that the UN members are not "idiots". Why do you think that all this should happen overnight? Grid changes overnight? EVs being charged by renewables overnight? Why shouldn't the UN have an opinion? They need to call out other countries for not progressing. Despite installing more renewables than any other country in recent years, China is still burning too much coal. The US still has double the per capita usage of fossil fuels as China and other Western nations.

    But your response is typical of the attitude of many Americans - "Not my problem"!
     
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    it doesn’t need to. Show me one politician outside of the country the meeting was in that didn’t use a jet to get there.
     
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    One.
    Just one.
     
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    Don't be silly... Cutting your carbon footprint is for us little peons. The ruling elite don't have to be subject to the terms and conditions that they themselves want to dictate the rest of us live by.

    After all they are too important to be affected by such things, much like they want the guns of you and I but they don't have a problem having people protect their sorry asses with guns.

    After all, again..... They are far more important than you and I and warrant a different lifestyle
     
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    must like guns. They still want the government to have all the guns they want to ban they will likewise want government to use fossil fuels they wish to ban as well.
     
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    Their talk about banning fossil fuels is much like their talk about banning guns. They’ll want to ban it from us but not them. If they made legislation they would give government the ability to use fossil fuels while restricting us. Case in point is guns. While they want to ban AR’s for us they still want government to have them (police, FBI, CIA) but not the people. It will be the same for government because none of them will row a boat to a UN meeting.
     
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    Humans cause carbon. To cut carbon, gotta cut humans.

    I'm sure its just a happy coincidence that these folks all hate rubbing elbows with their lessers. Once we're all poverty stricken, we can take our rightful place serving them caviar on their diesel-belching yachts and all this unpleasantness will be a distant memory.
     
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    Didn’t answer the question- where were your false claims mentioned in the article? If you’re going to reference articles, you shouldn’t misrepresent them.
     
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    Many nations are cutting carbon without “cutting” humans.
     
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    It’s not false claims. Just because the article doesn’t draw the parallel doesn’t mean I can’t. It’s factual that the same people in government that want to ban guns for us but not for them also want to ban fossil fuels for us but not for them.
     
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    How is that working out for the heat waves again?
     
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    I’m thinking that your idea of “factual” is what you believe to be true. And yet you’ve only provided one link, and misrepresented it with your untrue biased opinions.
     
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    Tell me, how much proof do you need when they call for the end of fossil fuels now yet they won’t end their own use of fossil fuels now? Do you need an article to connect those dots?
     
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    The State of Iowa, a semi Conservative state is getting 70% of its power from wind. How do you explain that? Does that mean that Iowa wants to take your guns away. Why is it that MAGA has turned the Republican Party into a bunch of Conspiracy Theorists who are obstinate, making totally non- credible statements?
     
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    Not credible. Your 2 cents.
     
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    That literally means zilch. Do 70% drive electric cars too?
     
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    Did the UN article blame a specific heat wave on AGW?
     
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    I don't think there is any logical/scientific way that a degree of warming from human enterprise can be denied. 8.5 billion people going through their daily routines and the noteworthy progress third world countries have been making in modernizing could have IMHO, no other result. Abject poverty has been almost erased over the century, or so.

    Climatic history shows humans have survived and prospered in warmer and cooler temps and CO2 concentrations. And. conversely, societies have crumbled and disappeared under those same conditions.

    Again, IMHO, I think, and fear, that the science of climatology and the realm of global politics have become so entangled and intertwined that that honest, factual data and theses are rare. Amongst climate science practitioners there's even talk of supporting "The Nobel Lie"; e.g. the "benefits" of misinterpreting climate data and discoveries to force society to adopt the societally correct, but not necessary SCIENTIFICALLY correct, actions for "the good of the World"
     
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    Yes.
    "The 12-month heat streak was “shocking but not surprising” given human-caused climate change, said Carlo Buontempo, the director of Copernicus, who warned of worse to come. Unless planet-warming fossil fuel pollution is slashed, “this string of hottest months will be remembered as comparatively cold,” he said."
     
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    A 12- month heat streak is not a “specific heat wave”. That’s a trend, and he warned of trends to come. Perfectly legitimate argument.
     
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    Just a fancy way of saying there is a “Conspiracy Theory”, and “I know better than all those real scientists”.
     
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    Mostly it's politicians using the scientists, but some scientists enjoy the fame and notoriety - was well as the "research grants". And, there are equally qualified and educated scientists who disagree with the more drastic theories and prognostications.
     

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