UN: 'Convincing evidence' of Syria chemical attack

Associated Press
EDITH M. LEDERER 1 hour ago
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http://news.yahoo.com/un-convincing-evidence-syria-chemical-attack-131653691.html


UNITED NATIONS (AP) — U.N. inspectors said Monday there is "clear and convincing evidence" that chemical weapons were used on a relatively large scale in an attack last month in Syria that killed hundreds of people.

The findings represent the first official confirmation by scientific experts that chemical weapons were used in Syria's civil war, but the report left the key question of who launched the attack unanswered. The rebels and their U.S. and Western supporters have said the regime of President Bashar Assad was behind the Aug. 21 attack, while the Syrian government and its closest ally, Russia, blame the rebels.

Secretary of State John Kerry briefed U.S. allies on a broad agreement reached over the weekend with Russia to end Syria's chemical weapons program, pressing for broad support for the plan that averted U.S. military strikes. Kerry met in Paris with his counterparts from France, Britain, Turkey and Saudi Arabia before seeking a U.N. resolution that would detail how the international community can secure and destroy Syria's stockpile and precursor chemicals.

As a sign of possible difficulties ahead, Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov sparred Monday over possible military action if Syria doesn't abandon its chemical weapons.

And in Geneva, the chairman of a U.N. war crimes panel said it is investigating 14 suspected chemical attacks in Syria, dramatically escalating the stakes. Paulo Sergio Pinheiro said the panel had not pinpointed the chemical used or who is responsible.



Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon presented the U.N. inspectors' report to a closed meeting of the U.N. Security Council before its release.

"This is a war crime and a grave violation of ... international law," Ban told the council in remarks distributed to the press. "The results are overwhelming and indisputable. The facts speak for themselves."

The inspectors' report said "the environmental, chemical and medical samples we have collected provide clear and convincing evidence that surface-to-surface rockets containing the nerve agent sarin were used ... in the Ghouta area of Damascus" on Aug. 21.

"The conclusion is that chemical weapons have been used in the ongoing conflict between the parties in the Syrian Arab Republic, also against civilians, including children, on a relatively large scale," the inspectors said in their report to Ban.

"This result leaves us with the deepest concern," the inspectors said.



The inspectors were mandated to report on whether chemical weapons were used and if so which ones — not on who was responsible.

The rebels and their Western and Arab supporters blame President Bashar Assad's regime for the attack in the rebel-controlled area of Ghouta. The Assad regime insists that the attack was carried out by rebels. The U.N. report mentions the Ghouta areas of Ein Tarma, Moadamiyeh and Zamalka, all of which were featured in the videos of victims that emerged shortly after the attack.

The report cited a number of facts supporting its conclusion:

— Rocket fragments were found to contain sarin.

— Close to the impact sites, in the area were people were affected, "the environment was found to be contaminated by sarin."



— Blood, urine and hair samples from 34 patients who had signs of "intoxication" by a chemical compound provided "definitive evidence of exposure to sarin by almost all of the survivors assessed."

— More than 50 interviews with survivors and health care workers "provided ample corroboration of the medical and scientific results."

The inspectors described the rockets used to disperse the sarin as a variant of an M14 artillery rocket, with either an original or an improvised warhead. The report said the origin of the rockets was from the northwest, but gave no specific location and didn't point a finger at the perpetrator.

The inspectors cautioned that the five sites they investigated had been "well traveled by other individuals prior to the arrival of the mission."

"During the time spent at these locations, individuals arrived carrying other suspected munitions indicating that such potential evidence is being moved and possibly manipulated," the report said. The areas were under rebel control, but the report did not elaborate on who the individuals were.



The Aug. 21 chemical attack unfolded as the U.N. inspection team was in Syria to investigate earlier reported attacks. After days of delays, the inspectors were allowed access to victims, doctors and others in the Damascus suburbs.

In the report, chief weapons inspector Ake Sellstrom said the team was issuing the findings on the Ghouta attacks "without prejudice" to its continuing investigation and final report on the alleged use of chemical weapons in three other areas. The letter said it hoped to produce that report as soon as possible.

Under an Aug. 13 agreement between the U.N. and the Syrian government, Sellstrom's team was scheduled to investigate an alleged chemical weapons attack on March 19 on the village of Khan al Assal outside Aleppo and alleged attacks on two other sites which were kept secret for security reasons.

The inspectors' report for the first time identified the two sites still to be investigated as Sheik Maqsood and Saraqueb.

The report also thanked the four laboratories designated by the Office for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) to examine the samples from Syria, disclosing their locations for the first time — in Finland, Germany, Sweden and Switzerland.



Kerry and his French and British counterparts worked on a two-pronged approach to Syria. They called for enforceable U.N. benchmarks for eradicating the chemical weapons program and an international conference bolstering the moderate opposition.

An ambitious agreement reached with the Russians calls for an inventory of Syria's chemical weapons program within one week, with all components of the program out of the country or destroyed by mid-2014.

France and the U.S. insisted that a military response to the Aug. 21 attack remained on the table, and were pressing for a U.N. resolution reflecting that in coming days.

"It has to be strong, it has to be forceful, it has to be real, it has to be accountable, it has to be transparent, it has to be timely. All of those things are critical. And it has to be enforced," Kerry said. "We will not tolerate avoidance or anything less than full compliance by the Assad regime."

Kerry said the agreement "fully commits the United States and Russia to impose measures under Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter in the event of non-compliance." Chapter 7 resolutions allow for military enforcement.



Russia's Lavrov said Chapter 7 was the subject of "fierce debate" during the U.S.-Russia talks but stressed that "the final document ... doesn't mention it" and that the Security Council resolution being negotiated will not be under Chapter 7. He said if Syria fails to cooperate, the Security Council can pass an entirely different resolution "which may employ Chapter 7."

Lavrov stressed that ongoing attempts to threaten the use of force against Syria would provoke the opposition and disrupt a chance for peace negotiations in Geneva that the U.S. and Russia have been trying to organize.

In London, Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi said Syria will comply with all Security Council resolutions and will facilitate the mission of the U.N. inspectors in line with the Russian-U.S. agreement. The comments were carried by state-run SANA news agency, which said al-Zoubi made the comments in an interview with Britain-based ITN TV on Sunday.

Meanwhile, invitations were going out Monday to top members of the Syrian National Coalition — the main umbrella opposition group — for an international conference in New York timed to coincide with next week's U.N. General Assembly meeting, French officials said.



Associated Press writers John Heilprin in Geneva, Matthew Lee in Paris, Peter Spielmann at the United Nations and Albert Aji in Damascus, Syria, contributed to this report.

 

Well, here we go again. I guess this is going to drawn out for years. Anyway, I wonder just how big the rebel stockpile of sarin tipped M14 Russian artillery rockets is?

 

Still no conclusive/firm evidence/proof on WHO DUNNIT .

Show me the proof .

Just allegations - Right ?

 

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Absolutely.

This would only convince the people with their finger on trigger
that this was done by the Syrian government.

 

Now that we see what the UN actually found, its revealing to go back and see what Press TV reported the UN found in one of Jack Napiers closed threads.

And still claiming on their website.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/10/323066/un-says-syria-attack-videos-fake-russia/

Absurd these people here who go to Russian and Iranian government owned and operated media to get their facts. They make Al Jezerra look legitimate.

 

Very good post! Why do you think some here use such bogus sources ?

 

What is being alluded to are the photos that first came out with Kerry. It has nothing to do with the results from the U.N. inspectors. As for what newspapers to believe, I try to pull out the facts from newspapers throughout the world, and discard the self serving spin and propaganda each one has. Once I gather the facts, I can form a true picture of what is going on.

Russia said in regard to Syria, that it is fighting for its survival since its gas and oil pipelines are protected by the Shia 'crescent' that separates the Sunni terrorists of the Arab states from the Sunni terrorists in the Caucasus. I would like to know what our reasons are for being in that part of the world, other than trying to destroy Russia by cutting into their life line? Isn't this similar to the actions of Nazi Germany during WWII in the Eastern Mediterranean, when they tried to destroy Britain by cutting off its life line to the Middle and Far East? Aren't we therefore a threat to Russia?

 

but the report left the key question of who launched the attack unanswered.

 

I suppose the other conclusion would be that Russia is arming and training the rebels. Otherwise, trained chemical warfare Government troops used new Russian M-14 rocket artillery tipped with Sarin. Got any crackpot theories that differ?

BTW, none of the likes of us will ever see any proof or evidence. This is high international government stuff and we'll just have to read the papers while they make decisions based upon information that we aren't ever allowed to see.

 

The article made no such limitation and instead claimed that "videos and photos purporting to show the victims of a chemical attack near the Syrian capital, Damascus, were fabricated". And the photos and videos were from the same area as that reported on by the UN.
But thanks for the beautiful demonstration as to how effective even BS propaganda can be for some once it has been put out.

 

How are you going to "gather the facts"? Are you in Syria?

Hitler? Are you talking about his ridiculous attempt at bombing Bahrain and the Saudi oil fields?

 

I remember now.. Hitler's plan was called Operation Orient.. He planned to control oil from the Caspian to the Persian Gulf.. It was a dud.

 

The Shia 'crescent' has a history of trying to shut down the Persian gulf.

 

Well, one is trying to destroy oil production facilities and the other is what is perceived as interference with a shia crescent that Russia believes is necessary to protect their oil pipelines. Which doesn't make much sense in the case of Syria, with Turkey already firmly in the pro Syrian rebel camp.

 

I don't know what you're trying to say? Turkey, Chechnya and Dagestan are Sunnis. Qatar, Saudi Arabia are also Sunnis. The so called Shia crescent splits the Sunnis of the Arab states from the Sunnis of the Caucasus. Two days ago I heard a former American General say that we had to destroy that Shia crescent. Why? The Shias are not the terrorists so it has to be to destroy Russia. Again why? What are we afraid of, that we might lose our hegemony?

 

Good point. They don't let us see it because they are liars.

 

Turkey is not one of the Caucasuses.

 

Was is a criminal trial, Assad would be verdicted guilty,

He built it
His men are trained to use it - dont underestimate training, I cant think of soldiers that would dare use it without proper training.
His men were there fighting the rebels for over 3 months
The Sarin was used on the Rebels
Its not the first report of using Sarin, both Turkey and Israel approved it was used on Rebels before.

 

Totally false statement. We in the west believe in innocent until proven guilty. There is not a single shred of evidence to convict Assad's government. A single credible source. There is no case against the Syrian government.

 

Turkey is culturally connected to the Caucasus through language and religion. The Muslims were all part of the Ottoman Empire. The Chechnyans, Dagestanis as well as the Islamic minorities in the neighboring countries are 'Turkified' Muslims, and the PM of Turkey; Erdogan and his foreign minister; Devotoglu are known as the 'new Ottomans'. Their intent is to restore the caliphate and hegemony of Turkey in all the lands formerly part of the Ottoman Empire. This of course is a threat to all the non Muslims throughout the region, and because of this they look towards Russia for protection.

 

Iran only threatened to close down the Persian gulf if it was attacked.

 

Seriously? So islamist scum can't possibly get 60+ y.o. ammunition from other countries, which were/are using them (all former Warsaw Pact and a lot of Arab countries) or capture them from army's stockpiles?

I'd recommend to do a little research before posting anything. Will prevent you from looking stupid later.

 

Not sure of your point. Turkey is still firmly behind the Sunnis waging war against Assad. Your so called Persian crescent is on the wrong side of Turkey for Syria to serve as any kind of separation between the caucasuses and the Sunni Arab nations.

 

PressTV didn't report ANYTHING the UN found in that article. They reported what the Russian foreign ministry said about what the UN found.

The article does not say that the UN found something. The article says that the Russian Foreign Ministry said something.

Try reading it again, but a bit more carefully.

 

Where did they get the mobile launchers and who taught them complex chemical handling, delivery and storage? Who taught them how to load the warheads? Who provided the safety gear and training so that they wouldn't immediately die while deploying the weapon system?