Understanding Islam Part II

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For the record Mister Magoo....... you are correct that I am a bit nutty...… Back in the '80's a friend of mine who was a nutritional medicine practitioner introduced me to the importance of detoxification. By 1988 another friend introduced me to a nutritional product called Matol that seemed to be a shortcut to doing a detox without fasting......… I took high amounts of the stuff for a couple of years and then began to manifest the up side of the manic-depressive cycle......… Dad was manic-depressive and I had zero comprehension of what he had been going through until that time..... He passed on January 1, 1990.......... and I had been fasting on Yom Kippur for over a decade by then.......... Once I saw that my belief in "soul sleep" was almost certainly incorrect....... I went through a phase of intense anger at Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus over his comments regarding "many called/few chosen" and a "broad way leading to destruction and many going in thereat and a narrow way leading to life and few finding it." Combine these statements with the possibility of a higher dimensional prison environment.......... and I got pretty worried about where dad was at......… so....... I resorted to drastic measures.........… Based on Leviticus 16:10 in the RSV...… I made an offer to the G-d of Abraham/ YHWH/ HaShem/ Allah..... to pay off the debt/guilt of Azazel...........

    As you may guess........... things got a little rough for a while........

    "but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel."(Leviticus 16:10 RSV)

    ...… I got so close to suicide that I actually put the bullet in the barrel of the 30.30..... but I thought the probable ensuing events through.... and decided against blowing my brains out........... my reason for doing so was really really, really , really stupid anyway........ I wanted to meet The Devil face to face and convince Azazel to return to worship- obedience to the G-d of Abraham........... and I felt that if Azazel would return to G-d...… then the probability of WWIII would be greatly reduced...........


    ..... am I boring you with this story..... it will take me a while.... but there is a point in this......… I recently asked Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus - Issa to ask Steve Irwin....to go and explain....the "Yom Kippur Loophole" to Robin Williams!
     
  2. mister magoo

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    No, Im not bored mate....its all as clear as mud......
     
  3. DennisTate

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    Yup......… basically....... if there is hope for the Devil to go to heaven........ then I guess there is hope for Robert Stewart Tate..... and the rest of us as well...........


    A Pastor Howard Pittman had a NDE in which he was shown that the Second Heaven has a love quotient of virtually zero........ but a high level of obedience to authority......…

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/christianity01.html
    Reverend Howard Pittman's Near-Death Experience

    …

    Mainstream Islam....... and historical Christianity place high importance on obedience to authority figures...… thus our willingness to engage in ethnic cleansing........

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ristians-organize-holocausts-other-group.html

    Best explanation I have read on why we Christians organize holocausts on other group.



    Basically..... it is because we are far more so in tune with the dark side of the force, (fear)... than with light - love?!
     
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    This, from the author, explains a lot.

     
  5. RiaRaeb

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    I read the book, The Story of Mohammed, it was interesting, but ultimately contained opinions that required quite a "leap of faith" to agree with,
    For instance on martyrdom,

    "This is a huge advantage to any fighting force, especially one which can replace fallen warriors as quickly as Islam. Mohammed clearly understood the advantage this gave him, and much of his teaching from this point on would be woven around the importance of martyrdom".

    Well yes, but it is very similar to Christian teachings, after all nearly all the early Christian saints died a martyrs death. I doubt you would get many crusaders who fought with any less conviction that they were fighting and dying for god. And in present day fiction look how many times the hero dies an "Heroic" death. Maybe Mohammed institutionalised it, but the idea of the martyr is pretty universal.

    So it looked to me like a rather biased book which did not go very far to increase understanding of Muslims. Which is unfortunate because we really could do with a quick guide to understanding Muslims, written by someone unbiased.

    I should say that my point of view is that I have travelled in Muslim countries and never felt anything other than welcome and safe. The Muslims I have met in the UK I have got on well with. I am mindful of the terrible things done in the name of Islam but remain unconvinced that the majority of Muslims are any more out to get me that your average Christian, Jew or Hindu.
     
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    Around Yom Kippur 1990..... (I think a few days or weeks afterward)..... I specifically volunteered to become a modern "Yom Kippur goat".... (whatever that meant)........... I did my best to make it clear that this offer was to the G-d of Abraham/ YHWH/ Allah........ and I felt that it could play a role in the attainment of near....... or perhaps full fledged universal salvation........... zero casualties...........

    My wife is a gifted Pentecostal who was somehow told that I was going to be her husband ....... Maria Jose was not at all impressed to be told this....... because she thinks that I am weird and too New Agey......… for a good Pentecostal girl like her....... but..... she obeyed the order to marry me and our daughter just turned 12........ Back in 1995 my wife....... five years or more before she even met me..... had a dream that was somewhat like an out of the body experience.......... She was asleep beside her then husband Cesar......… A fallen angel appeared in the doorway to her bedroom.......... posed like a pinup model in the doorway........ and said to her......essentially......"My name is Azazel Baalzebub.........I am going to take him away from you".......(referring to her husband).........… "Don't forget what I tell you"...… which was a message for me.......... because the name Azazel meant little to my wife........... who did not have the background in the Messianic Gentile movement that I had.........…

    I may be wrong...… but I considered that dream of my wife to be evidence that my strange offer from 1990 was accepted...… and a new and previously hidden level of meaning in Yom Kippur...… has been set in motion....... I tried my best to explain all this to an Ortodox Jewish Rabbi back in 2010....... because a Yom Kippur goat must be presented to a high priest?!

    http://tate4centralnova.yuku.com/topic/383/My-correspondence-with-Rabbi

    Rabbi ........, linking Jerusalem Third Temple with Grand Unified Theory of Modern World Problems.
     
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    Another interesting point of view.

     
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    Religiously speaking....I once dated a very staunch Jehovahs Witness women....one nite when I was humping
    her into a coma she said.."honey, the Bible says thou shalt not fornicate....we'll have to get married..."
    I said..."Adam and Eve weren't married and they seemed to have a bit of fun..."
    She says "I'll have to come back to you on that"
    I said "Come back as far as you like...."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AcigKiu_Gk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQI5fdVCvlU
     
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    The majority of Muslims follow the Mecca Mohammad but the Medina Mohammad is just as legitimate since the Koran is perfect. ISIS is following the Medina Mohammad example.
     
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    Which Mohammad (peace be upon him)...… would be more in line with the ideas of Sufi Muslims?

    http://www.near-death.com/muslim.html

     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there two sections of the Koran...one which preaches peace, and the other violence and jihad...and the second part...guess what...overrules the first...
     
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    Yup......… "The Missing Dimension in Sex" by Mr. Herbert Armstrong taught no sex until marriage.......... I have slept with three women so far in my 55 years........and am divorced two times!

    I guess I am a serial monogomist.........…

    I debated with Jehovah's Witness missionary Reg Forbes for years........ He played a huge role in getting me interested in actually reading the Bible........ so that he would not demolish me in our nearly "sola scritura" debates that began when I was about 15................
     
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    "This makes Muslims immensely brave in battle compared to non-Muslims".

    Yes, I could think of quite a few regiments in the British Army and I would imagine U.S. army who would beg to differ on this point.............possibly with the point of a bayonet!
     
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    I have to disagree with you on that...the muslims, if during jihad are killed...get 72 virgins to hump....
    No other Army can give you that kind of workers comp.....
     
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    I should mention that multiple orgasms is one possible way to attain an out of the body state or something like a near death experience?! (You knew that already didn't you?)


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers21.html

    The Trigger of Orgasms: Margaret Birkin's Near-Death Experience
     
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    Only if you stop after about twelve....!!! :roflol:
     
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    The catch though........... is you have to hump them........ metaphorically....... kind of like Spock..... with the Vulcan Mind Meld.......


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/articles015.html#a04


     
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    But in Portsmouth you get them to hump without having to die(ok maybe not virgins!)

    And a Bird in the hand............must be worth 72 in the afterlife.
     
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    There is only one God and Mohammad is his (last) prophet. ISIS would be the first to condemn Sufi's since they deviate from Mohammad's teachings. The result would be to flee, die, or submit to dhimmitude.
     
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    My horse just won at Newmarket so Im going to bed....cheers all......
     
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    But didn't Moses/Moshe express a wish that all of G-d's people would become prophets?


    Numbers 11:29


    "And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them! "

    Doesn't the Koran express some similar ideas to the statement by the Prophet Jeremiah that in the era of Messiah/ Moshiach/ Mahdi...… everybody will know the G-d of Abraham?



    Jeremiah 31:34


    "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. "

    Near death experiencer Howard Storm was shown that G-d wanted to cause this to happen within two centuries.

    http://www.near-death.com/storm.html#a04

     
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    So Howard Storm didn't read Revelation or the very clear directive that it would happen within a generation... or 40 years from the crucifixion???

    There were schools for prophets in Jerusalem back in the day.. They were the voice of the people... commentators.. and they were everywhere.
     
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    Or..... could the term generation primarily mean a group of several thousand people who come back again and again and again and again....... and lead world events on to the next somewhat higher level????!

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/jesus01.html

    Jesus Christ as the Reincarnation of Adam
     
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    There was a widespread belief in reincarnation up until the 5th century AD.. Read Revelation.. They were terrified that Nero would come back from the dead with an army of Pathians from East of the Euphrates and begin persecuting Christians all over again.

    Its BS.. but, there are those who still believe in near death experiences and reincarnation.
     
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    Irrelevant to Islam.
     

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