like most decisions made in one's life, there can be ups and downs because of that choice made, and can effect certain people around us... a few days ago i was just a pro-lifer because, just like most people who grew up strictly christian, i was swayed to believe it was morally wrong because the child should be able to live too!! Then i thought to myself 'hmm? maybe i should start thinking on both sides', and i thought about how society was today on this issue from both sides!!(theses aren't based on facts! this is just things i have seen around the community!) Pro-Choice Viewing 1: yes we all know the usual "that baby has a right to life!", and, "it's against the bible!" speech.but let's say a women is raped... we all know what most women would do about that pregnancy, but you can't exactly call her an evil person. the event was most likely traumatic and if she had the baby she probably couldn't look that child in the face, and sometimes in cases like this the mother (without support) can become unstable and abusive. 2:She maybe financially unstable... and don't give me that "just give it up for adoption" crap, just because im 19 and still have a lot to learn doesnt mean i don't know this one true fact.... No matter who you are whether it be a priest or a normal citizen humans are fickle!! i bet there is a good chance most of those pro-lifers won't even adopt the kid they didn't want aborted! so now you have a bunch of homeless kids in crowded orphanages! The only time i hate abortion is when someone takes advantage of it. by that i mean those bimbos who get pregnant more than five times and decide to keep playing god! but then they go and cry 'NO FREEDOM!' when you ask then to at least use protection! i know that's their bodies but there has to be a limit! your thought on this dilemma?
You do realize there is a severe shortage of certain types of babies, and prospective parents are put on long waiting lists. I think that any woman seeking an abortion should have to first place an add for the baby and see if there are any takers. Whether for better or worse, not all babies are created equal in the adoption market, so you really can't generalize. Let the supply match demand, I say.
please don't tell me parents look for specific features in a child to adopt!? i would think thats just cruel...
Cruel? No, it's perfectly natural. Adopting a child is a big commitment. Prospective parents want to make sure the child will be... compatible. Parents usually want a baby that is the right ethnicity. They also don't want a defective baby. Yes, there are a few mother Teresa's out there who happily take in the children no one else wants, but they are few and far between.
This is what I mean by potential compatibility problems, btw [video=youtube;PZJKuOQaB88]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZJKuOQaB88[/video]
I just think it's absolutely terrible when a woman aborts, when she knows that there is another loving family out there desperately wanting a baby like hers. These women have NO excuses. http://www.mercatornet.com/demography/view/9187 http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...61PAAAAIBAJ&sjid=c1MDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5408,4656679
and why should adoption based on racial or disability discrimination be allowed, we all know you have these feelings Anders, I'm just glad most people realise that racial and/or disability discrimination is wrong. You want to treat people in the care system as a commodity with the hope that your ideals of white supremacy will eventually come to pass.
There is a guy with down syndrome in my hood, he is like 45 years old , late at night i can hear him calling his elder mother to wipe his arse . Seriously this is not a way to live and if his mother had any compassion she would have him aborted . Disability is a serious reason to consider abortion .
No woman has a duty to gestate a child for those who can't have their own. That kind of thinking relegates women to stock animals. Bizarre.
Watch the video. The kid didn't attach to the mother. Do you think the black baby would have attached better to a black parent?
and just who are we to decide what constitutes "a way to live"? - - - Updated - - - Possibly, but one case doesn't make it a standard .. or does it to some people?
Honestly, now you are even pro-racist? This isn't the first time that some of your comments started to become morally questionable in nature.
Sam, I don't agree with your opinions, I don't agree with the way you comment .. however you are the only pro-lifer I have ever seen actually call Anders out on issues like this .. for that I applaud you
So how is that the responsibility of pro-lifers rather than of the people who brought those kids into the world and left them to fend for themselves? So if they only play God once or twice, no problem. Right?
and that is a typical pro-life response, pro-life until you are born then it's a case of "nothing to do with me" How about putting your money where your mouth is and actually trying to help those kids abandoned or living in poverty. Which God would that be?
oh, sorry, lol! i went all imaginative and thought of some weird stuff like the black market... im weird like that sometimes. don't judge me!
The problem being that your patent meaning is nonsensical, which of course is why I asked the question; and if you think the question is stupid, just try answering it straight up - double dog dare ya.
First of all there is no dilemma if you know the truth and value life. You once did that and now you caved into what society is telling you. I assume you also reject God and will think and do what YOU SAY IS MORAL, NOT WHAT GOD TELLS YOU. Your entire worldview will change just because of this one issue and your stance. You are right about one thing, that the decisions you make in your life can and will affect those connected to you. In this case, if you abort or support it...you are killing a living human being. But now after changing positions, you don't care. I might add that even some atheists believe that abortion is wrong. Science is not on your side if you say that ...the thing being killed is not a human being. Science says a new human life starts at conception. This has nothing to do with God. Do don't assume that only Christians are against abortion. You obviously care more about being politically correct and more interested in supporting society than actually doing what is right. Commenting on #1.....Why bring up rape? And who told you rape was always bad? Shouldn't people decide on their own if its good or bad? Or do you think you can project your morals on other people who might not share your opinion? If you believe that a woman has the right to choose...that its her decision and hers alone, then you must support all abortion, no matter for what reason or when its done, even in the ninth month. You wouldn't want to enslave the woman would you? The thing you don't get here is that the child of rape has just as much right to life as other children whose mother was not raped. If you walked into a nursery and a nurse asked you to pick the child out of the bunch whose mother was raped...do you think you could do it? No...probably not, they all would look the same. But for you and others like you, two wrongs make a right and killing that innocent would make up for the wrong done to the mother. NOTHING would ever make up for the violence against her. So for the woman who would pick abortion in that circumstance will not only live with the violence of the act, but the violence she perpetrated against her child. That my dear is hard to live with. Have you ever had an abortion? If you have not....then you have no idea what it is like to live with. Don't think it ever goes away...it doesn't. #2 So kill because you can't afford the child. Kill because its not the right sex.....kill because you don't know who the father is....kill because the child might be deformed or handicapped....kill because your going to school, kill because you are single....kill because the child might be gay....might be poor, might have problems in life. One could think of a million excuses as to why to kill couldn't they? Which ones are acceptable to you? They all should be acceptable because your allowing the woman to choose...its her body remember. Do don't tell me if your pro-choice that you would place any restriction on the woman as to why she couldn't abort. Why should the burden be put on those who are pro-life as far as adoption? You pro-aborts have such negativity when it comes to adoption. For you its not cruel to kill the child in utero...but its cruel for a mother to give up her child. LOL Cause if you have not bonded with the child...killing is easier. Sigh. You make pro-lifers responsible for the mistakes of the mother. We can't be pro-life unless we......adopt all the babies the mothers might have. We also should pay for the abortion themselves. Everyone is at fault but the mother...and SHE ALONE GAVE THE CONSENT FOR THE SEX ACT TO TAKE PLACE. It should be her responsibility not mine or anyone else. I do work at a CPC and I do try to help women both before and after they give birth. What do you do to help women? Crowded orphanage....? They all would be better off dead right? It's always better to kill...isn't it kat? You spew your hatred on the life in the womb and then you have the audacity to say that the only time you hate abortion is when someone takes advantage of it. LMAO What business is it of yours what a woman might do with her body? Are you pro-choice or not Kat? It should not matter how many times a woman kills...your position cries.....ITS HER CHOICE, HER BODY. Or is it? I don't think you know. Kat is there something wrong with abortion? And if your condone abortion....then your playing God. Funny you mentioned God....you rejected the idea of a creator in your opening comments. LMAO You fit right in here with all the pro-aborts...you are all over the place...and have no idea what the truth is. - - - Updated - - - Don't judge? LMAO You judge every life in the womb what are you talking about. And you judge pro-lifers....read your opening comments to this thread.
Why should you care? It shouldn't be your business should it? What you show here is just how judgmental you are. - - - Updated - - - LMAO you condone abortion and you think that looking for special characteristics of a child is wrong. LMAO ABORTION IS CRUEL, WHAT DON'T YOU GET?
You are right. This is reality however right or wrong it may be. Parents look for different things...sex, age...and race. That does not make them a racist. Some people would not be able to cope with a handicapped child...that does not make them cruel. Someone who might want a boy....does not mean they hate girls.
