Understanding the liberal mind

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  1. montra

    montra New Member

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    I've come here in peace. I simply want to try and understand why liberals think the way they do. These are a few contradictory positions that I see and wonder if you can either explain them or validate my concerns.

    1. Liberals hate jobs that are going over seas.
    2. Liberals hate that the US are capitalistic pigs because they have all the wealth in the world.
    3. Liberals hate poverty and champion a redistribution of wealth.
    4. Liberals would much rather have jobs stay in the US even though jobs abroad would help the poor abroad who are much worse off than the poor in the US.
    5. Liberals don't mind if illegals come pouring across the border by the millions and take American jobs.

    Help me understand!! :eyepopping:
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Keeping jobs in America keeps Americans employed
    Liberals hate that there are people in America with billions and others who live dirt poor. Shouldn't be like that in the most powerful country in the world

    See above

    Worry about our own country first, then we can start trying to help other countries poor people

    Everyone has the right to the "American life" even if you aren't American. Morality stuff.

    1 and 4 are Conservative principles. Liberals views on things are more based on morality. Many would have no problem outsourcing our jobs to help other nations because "our poor are rich compared to some places". Its the Conservatives who say screw that keep our jobs here let them worry about their own country.

    Help me understand!! :eyepopping:[/QUOTE]
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    1. Yes, if we don't preserve some job capacity here at home no one can afford to live in the USA.

    2. I don't care and I'm actually in cahoots with the capitalistic pigs...

    3. I grew up in poverty and once you realize the pain of being poor and not using social welfare because your family is too conservative to do it, you want to keep that from happening to others. It's all about missed opportunities. And, we only live once.

    4. Again, some jobs need to remain if we're going to fund a first-world power. Otherwise,We also see the reduction in quality, possibility of toxic contamination, and the factory disasters in the news sometimes.

    5. We don't want to turn back the people who are fleeing the crime and corruption of their own land. It's not their fault...
     
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    I think you forgot one. I'll do it for ya.

    6. Liberals hate the GOP, and their lemmings.
     
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    So you are more concerned about the plight of the American citizen, even though their poor are rich in comparison to many abroad? If redistribution were to happen on a global scale, then there would be no choice but to gut the wealth in the US, thus taking along with it the nice jobs. The US would also cease being the most powerful nation in the world. Is that what you desire?

    As far as illegals becoming US citizens, why not just declare all the world's poor American citizens if they so choose? Must we demand they make the dangerous journey across the border first?

    Put another way, what do you think should be the criteria for citizenship?

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    Liberals are not the only ones. Last I checked, the head of the GOP, John Boehner, declared war on the Tea Party and conservatives abroad.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Yes I am more concerned with our own citizens than other nations citizens. I am an American, we come first in my eyes. "Morality" be damned.


    Criteria for citizenship should be born in the US, or do it the legal way, or get thrown the hell out of here.

    Sorry OP I'm not actually a a Lib I was just answering your questions in the way I see so many of them answer questions like these.

    Speak with the other guy who posted in here, he's what you are looking for.
     
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    1. Can't afford to live in the USA? I thought that was what the nanny state was suppose to address? Are you suggesting that the nanny state has limits? If so, are you worried about the stress placed on the nanny state due to millions of illegals coming across the border?

    3 I get the impression that many "liberals" are capitalistic pigs. After all, corporate America just stripped the wealth out of America courtesy of our political leaders and corporate bail outs. In fact, when looking at the richest areas in the country they all seem to be left winged. I always thought that this had to do with the fact that wealth seems to congregate around highly populated cities, which in turn, are dependent upon infrastructure to exist. This infrastructure is then dependent upon raising tax revenue to support it which the left wing champions. However, I'm wondering now if there is more to this. Could it be that the left's demagoguery about the 1% is only a ruse while they embrace what is going on now, namely the destruction of the Middle Class? Rising health care premiums will have a definite impact in this regard.
    4 You are right about funding a world super power. If the US intends on remaining the king of the hill, then being capitalistic pigs is the only hope. World conquering empires need wealth to function, and last I checked the war against Syria is on hold right now.
    5. So you feel that the only criteria for citizenship should be fleeing their own country for any given reason? If so, should we help round them up around the world in a humanitarian effort, or should we simply allow them to struggle to be on their dangerous journey across the border?
     
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    So it seems you have just as much trouble figuring them out as I do. LOL.

    Well, thanks for the input anyway.
     
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    You don't see the contradiction, here?
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Good luck with that. I had a long discussion with a cousin of mine a few weeks ago who is highly educated and very Liberal. I wanted to get into the Liberal mind and see why they believe some of what they believe. I've known him my whole life I know he is no fool.

    After about 10 minutes I got a massive headache so I gave up and started ordering double shots at the bar and watching the football game lol. Maybe I'll try again one day. It's just that so much of what he initially said just flat out pissed me off on a personal level...

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    I do, liberals don't for some reason...
     
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    My mistake. Didn't read your post carefully enough.
     
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    Yes people need wages to afford to live in the USA. Even with nanny state welfare. People have needs, we aren't talking about wants, but needs. The Nanny state can only take care of the cusp of crisis level needs. Spartan food in a homeless shelter in a crime-ridden neighborhood. It can't take care of more general needs that allow the ability to thrive: safety, food, clothes, a job... dignity.

    The richest areas of the USA have the means of generating money. The Ports and Wall Street center of New York, The gas/oil fields of Texas, The tourist attractions and retirement communities of Florida, or the Technology boom of California... Most of these places attract large populations who generate lots of cash. It's hard to generate money on a small potato farm in Idaho.

    Super power or not, there are places where the police protect you, and there are places where the police grab anything the looters didn't take. It costs money but we get our money's worth in our services.

    I don't want the violent radicals bringing their blood feuds here to the USA, but I don't care if people want to come to the USA and get money and prosperity. Really, illegal immigration isn't an issue I care about. I don't care to lift a finger to make a choice either to export all the illegal immigrants, nor do I want to gather all the huddling masses across the world so they, and their posterity, can prosper instead of being killed by radicals who are out for blood.
     
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    Thread closed,insulting to Liberals. ''Some'' Liberals may[or may not] feel this way, but not all The wording should read ''Some Liberals''

    Thank you
    flounder
     
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