Unintended consequences: Black bakery owner loses lawsuit, forced to bake racist kkk

I don't ever recall implying that.

Come on Billy, you are better than that. Now you know I in no way implied that anyone can revert to violence. Come on man don't stoop to that level.

 

You've been taken. The story was from the Tribune Herald, a satirical news site.

http://tribuneherald.net/2013/08/23/kkk-wins-lawsuit-against-bakery-for-discrimination/

No surprise however. Conservatives tend to be gullible.

 

If that is even possible.

 

Why would anyone think you're forced to do that?!

 

Where did you get the idea they are being refused service? They are being refused a single product/service, not overall service. In order to be discrimination they would have to refuse all service based on their race, color or religion.

You seem to forget sexual orientation is a "limited" protected class.

You will notice religion and religious practice is a protected class by not only the First Amendment to the Constitution as an inalienable right but also protected by Title VII. Alas LGBT is simply not there and after what they're doing I doubt that will happen for a very long time to come. How many legislators will side with 3.5% of the population (LGBT) vs 77% of the population (Christian)? The Mouse that tried to roar will be eaten by the cat for making too much noise when they likely would have achieved their goal by (*)(*)(*)(*) and staying under the radar.

Masterpiece Cakeshop in Colorado, Elane Photography new Mexico, Sweet Cakes by Melissa in Oregon, Hobby Lobby and Chick-fil-A were attacked by the Gay Mafia. Out of that springs RFRA's.

 

Not really, doing a bikini wax on a female is normal in salons (I don't personally do any waxing), and it is most always done by a female. Now this issue could change to the negative with a salon not being able to refuse service of a female waxing the genitals of a man.

 

Getting your genital hairs ripped out with wax is not my idea of a good time

I have not seen too many salons having females wax the genitals of a male

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You are implying because they have been treated so horrifically they should get a pass

 

Why would you think a gay wedding would be catered by a pizzeria?

 

Can you name one person in that group that harmed someone for the color of their skin?

 

try reading the article ...it happened in Georgia...

 

That's 110% correct. That's exactly how all of this crap started in the first place, when the gay couple targeted the Christian bakery.

I've asked a hundred times, who in their right mind would purposely go into a place of business that didn't want to serve them, and genuinely ask for something edible to be made?

 

I don't know why someone would have a pizza place cater their wedding. I also don't know why people get elvis themed weddings. The point is you can either cater to weddings or not. That's your choice. But if you do cater to weddings you don't get to choose if the wedding you cater to is only straight weddings. Or only same race weddings. Or only Christian weddings. Religious and private business rights do not allow discrimination. So yes. You have the freedom to refuse to trim pubes. Of course you do. You do not have the freedom to refuse to trim the hair of gays, blacks, or people of different faiths.

As a hairdresser you also have a little more leeway though. Because cutting black hair might require a different skillset and you can refuse if you believe you can't do an adequate job. But that's not an excuse for gay people.

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It's a satire article. it's not real.

 

You're joking, right?

 

The difference us this- the examples you are using are meant to incite hatred (in some cases even violence) against certain groups of people. Baking a cake for a gay wedding is not inciting hatred against anything.

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Would you like a ton of examples? Do you really want to go there?

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Can't let the truth get in the way of a good smear.

 

The problem is, where and how do you draw that line?

The principle that a business is a "public accomodation" and must, as a rule, serve all comers equally is valid. A restaurant cannot refuse to serve black people, or Jews, or women, or whatever.

But the idea that a business owner should not be forced to perform a service they find abhorrent is valid, too. As a freelance web designer, I cannot be forced to build a website for the Klan.

Part of the issue may simply be definitional. Perhaps a caterer, or a commercial photographer, should be defined as a service, and service businesses have different requirements than, say, a hardware store.

But what it comes down to is a conflict between two legitimate principles. When the irresistable force meets the immovable object, how do you decide what should happen? That is the legal conundrum here.

The law, rightly IMO, comes down heavily on the side of "public accomodation". But it could be argued that in certain cases it comes down TOO heavily on that side, and adjustments need to be made.

On the other hand, maybe we could allow any service-oriented business to say, "Sorry, my beliefs won't let me do that" -- as long as they provide a reasonable, good-faith alternative. Have another staffer serve the customer, or point the customer to a well-regarded baker down the road. In other words, you don't have to serve them -- but it is YOUR responsibility to help them resolve the issue created by your refusal to serve.

 

Do you offer genital trims as part of your package of services? If so, yes. If not, no.

 

The only reference I can find is the linked article, nothing anywhere else.

 

The pizza place didn't cater weddings, they were asked if they would cater a gay wedding. Unless you have evidence that they cater weddings at all

I also have posted, I don't have to give someone a reason why I don't want to do their hair, that should always be the response. I refuse to service nut cases, and I don't have to give them a reason. I also have clients that are gay and some that are black, and btw, hair is hair, there really is no skill set in cutting black hair, either you know how to or you don't

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I don't offer anything remotely near the genitals, it was an example of how this lunacy can play out

 

The line over which a business provider should not be pushed is quite clear to me: It is not legal for a bakery owner, for example, to refuse service to someone merely because that person is a homosexual (nor should it be).

But it should not be legal to force a business to materially contribute to a practice (like a same sex wedding) that owner, through a legitimately and closely held religious conviction, finds abhorrent and immoral.

All reasonable and good suggestions. Simply put, the right to guarantee the customer is not discriminated against should not become a club with which the business owner could then become unduly deprived of his rights as well.

Even more simply, the person must be served. The cause may not be.

 

your confusing the word 'cater', the mc donalds guy caters your big mac... your referring to the term as if they have to deliver and participate in your event... the later is not required, the former is

 

So many gays wanting cakes. Wow. Seems to be a market for gay cakes.

 

Yes, do show me a ton of examples where Christians have attacked gay people.

 

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Does every issue have to descend into such absurdity?

 

How much you wanna bet that Cloak got pissed and kicked his dog!