United Airlines to Require All U.S. Employees Be Vaccinated Against Covid-19

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  1. Arleigh

    Arleigh Well-Known Member

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    Looks like this pertains to newly hired employees since June.

    However, how is this going compliant with HIPPA laws? What if you are allergic to an ingredient in the vaccine and have been advised by medical authorities to Not get the vaccine? Why would a prospective employee need to provide all of that medical documentation?

    lawsuit 101.
     
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  2. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Too bad for you there is nothing fascist about requiring employees and guests of a business to adhere to their policies.
     
  3. Hoosier8

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    In accordance to government.
     
  4. notme

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    Is it? I found that the rist reduction is 90% = 10% still can get it... while 3% of ex covid patients don't even have antibodies.
    Safe to assume you never bothered to look it up.

    https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/03/02/reinfection

    Doug Lowy of the National Cancer Institute, who co-authored of the study, said, "That's a tenfold decrease, which is essentially a 90% reduction in risk for people who are antibody positive.

    In comparison, among the 2.9 million patients who had tested negative for coronavirus antibodies at the outset, 3.9% had a positive diagnostic test for the coronavirus within 30 days. According to the researchers, "That proportion remained relatively consistent at approximately 3.0% over all subsequent periods of observation, including after 90 days."
     
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    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    You obviously haven't gone for a job for a while. You wouldn't believe what I had to disclose and *have examined* last time I worked in the US! Truly.
     
  6. Melb_muser

    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not the stuff they test for and not the stuff they want to know when you go for a job. When was this ever different? It's like you guys are making up new rules for new world.
     
  7. notme

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    Covid isn't religious. Maybe you should have been aware of that.
     
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    So is a bakery in Oregon.
     
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    Requiring people to get an experimental vaccine which may not even be that effective seems to be outside of the scope of an employer.

    Having the vaccine doesn't keep you from spreading it, it doesn't stop you from getting it. There wouldn't really be any interest an employer would have in you getting it.

    It's kind of like your employer reporting you to take vitamin B supplements.
     
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    they do not have to answer, it's their choice, so not a HIPAA issue

    by your logic, it's a HIPAA violation for life insurance to ask if you have had cancer in the past

    heck, to get some life insurance you need to get a physical and show it to them

    we are in a pandemic, flights are very enclosed spaces, they can require such safety measures to protect their employees and customers
     
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    So point me towards a website that shows Biden encouraging companies to fire the non-vaccinated. Whatever is on cable can be seen on a website.
     
  12. GlobalCitizen

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    As far as I'm concerned, it is religious; at least half of my country has been inculcated into a weird technocratic religion that they believe will save them from COVID. The Muslims also believe the face coverings will save them from hell..
     
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  13. notme

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    It's fine if you place your trust in God instead of science. Just be open about it.

    Uh no. They wear it for the sake of God like a Jew who wears a kippah.
     
  14. GlobalCitizen

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    That's not me. I just don't trust these scientists. I have determined that they have misled for nefarious reasons. For going on 2 years now.
     
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    Um no, they wear it to discourage men besides their husbands from committing what they consider sins relating to sexual activity and thought, thereby saving them from hell.

    The point was that even these guys weren't making their children into faceless, emotionless drones.
     
  16. HB Surfer

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    I run a private company. I would never allow this crap. My staff is very high end (Project Managers, Programmers, Data Specialists) and I would lose amazing people if I pulled this crap. I have a feeling these employers that are doing this will find themselves with resource issues as people quit.
     
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    Who are "these" scientists? The ones who say wearing a mask helps? This has been the case since the plague. It was used again during the Spanish flu. And suddenly we got these nutcases say they don't work because they read it on a post their uncle liked on facebook. We've been using vaccines before the 1800's, and suddenly now with state of the art computers and knowhow it's all... "I don't trust it, because I read on FB.... ".

    How do you think the next generation will judge how this all went down by people who did not trust science but did trust FB?
     
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    That's the long version. But basically they -a minority- do it for the men. And Jews wearing a kippah do it directly for the sake they fear God.

    Not seeing how wearing a mask turns yourself into an emotionless drone.
     
  19. GlobalCitizen

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    I haven't been on FB in 10 years; I simply read the writing on the wall concerning their control of the narrative.

    I believe in vaccines. I'm probably in the top 1% of all Americans in total number of vaccinations received.

    I don't trust any scientist or political leader who lacks urgency concerning the origin of Covid. So when I listen to them behind their podiums, I activate my sense of urgency detector concerning this issue. If it's not there, I don't trust them, because once a rational person determines any hint that this virus is man-made, it is perfectly natural to assign the highest priority to the who (for security concerns), why(for historical/lesson learning purposes), and how(in order to better develop a strategy to fight the virus).

    There is more than a hint.
     
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  20. Doofenshmirtz

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    I am only speaking for myself. The policy does reveal the lack of confidence in the effectiveness of the vaccine.
     
  21. WalterSobchak

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    You also had a feeling that Trump was gonna trounce Biden in 2020. We all see how that played out.
     
  22. GlobalCitizen

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    There is if they are misleading their employees about the risk their policies supposedly mitigate.

    For example, I heard someone from the CDC on a major network actually advise parents to mask up at home to protect their children. My common sense forced me to interpret this advice as dishonest. Because he failed to mention duration of contact as a primary, if not THE primary, factor in contracting the virus. I read somewhere that N95's are 90%ish? effective, surgical = 40%, cloth = 20%. But my common sense says that, even if the numbers are to be believed, the effectiveness level is heavily dependent on duration of contact. So even if you wore a mask in your home with your children, if you spend half your days in that house with them for 10 days (the typical contagious period?), the mask effectiveness drops to zero. So you can see now why I reacted in disbelief when I heard one of our top scientists telling people that they could mitigate their risk in this way.

    The same applies to the mask mandates by my employer. I take offense to them because imo, they are giving their employees a false sense of risk mitigation. But in reality, it doesn't matter if you mask them up, if you put 2 people in the back of a semi trailer for 3 hours, the masks don't matter. You are putting those employees at risk, and on top of that, you are acting virtuous in that you are claiming to be protecting them, but you know you are only protecting your bottom line, and you are willing to shame anyone who tries to expose you.

    Yeah, this virus has definitely exposed the fascist streak in our country
     
  23. WalterSobchak

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    You do realize this is a GLOBAL Pandemic, right?
     
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  24. GlobalCitizen

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    Yes, you do realize this is a GLOBAL mass psychosis, right? I hope so; it should be fascinating to any intellectual because heretofore we only have examples of it within nations.

    EDIT: I forgot the Inquisition was continental.
     
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    The CDC's website says reinfection is rare. I could only find a couple dozen confirmed cases worldwide during a 7 minute Google search.
     

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