United States rock bottom in world ranking of pandemic response

An Australian institute ranked 98 countries regarding the quality and efficacy of their responses to the Covid-19 pandemic.

https://interactives.lowyinstitute.org/features/covid-performance/

(scroll to the bottom of the page for the actual ranking)

So, the United States is in the bottom five, only better than Iran, Colombia, Mexico and Brazil. We managed to be outperformed by freaking Bolivia, and even Iraq!

The UK, #66. New Zealand, #1.

 

I'm sure Biden will be blamed since he's been the President for somewhere around a week now.

 

At some point individuals in the US are going to have to take responsibility. Everyone has access to information sufficient to facilitate their own protection. People simply aren’t willing to make personal sacrifices sufficient to protect themselves.

 

It's not just COVID. People don't care about anything until it's in their backyard.

 

That is true. And then they want someone else to come fix the problem for them after it ends up in their yard.

 

this is why Floriduh's yard is toxic https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opi...0210127-yobt3hhsrvfxtjskzeizswbcky-story.html

 

Oh wow. That is disturbing.

 

BIDENS Death Toll is like a 9/11 EVERYDAY. They should re-name him President Osama Bin BIDEN.

 

Sure, pal. The death stats linger behind. People die 4-5 weeks after they get infected. Biden has been in office for 9 days. Nice try.

 

Plus its very difficult to rapidly contain a raging pandemic starting at something close to its worst point. At this point the responsibility for every death lies wiht past actions. If Biden stuffs up the vaccine rollout then the fanatics might have something to complain about.

Of course, they don't really care about facts. Children frequently don't.

 

Oh, I know. To undo the disaster we had under Trump (5th country from the bottom up in the entire freaking world in quality and effectiveness of Covid-19 response, only above Iran, Mexico, Colombia, and Brazil and below freaking Bolivia!) it will take several months if not a couple of years. Once a pandemic reaches the critical mass that Trump allowed it to reach, it takes on a life of its own (literally) and it is much harder to put the cat back in the bag. But sure, they'll be blaming Biden, although his actions are ALREADY much more appropriate than Trump's. But I was just pointing to the fact that to blame him for deaths occurring 9 days after he took office is so ridiculous, given that people with Covid-19 take 4-5 weeks to die after infection so ALL the people dying today got infected under Trump's watch, that I had to point it out.

 

It was interesting what they discovered worked

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01...-coronavirus-response-than-australia/13102988

 

Your mask primarily protects those around you from you. That is the real crime. By not wearing a mask you may be killing other people.

Of course now there are plenty of N95 masks available, which protect everyone. I've just recently gone from a surgical mask to an N95. I waited to be sure our front-line workers have plenty first. But the supply of N95 masks seems to be good now.

 

Now that they don't have the idiot in the White House dissing masks, social distancing, science, and common sense, it has to get better.

 

Note how the infection rates have improved dramatically now that we are past the holiday surge. Christmas alone probably killed around 100,000 people, with perhaps 5 million more infections, meaning perhaps 1.5 million people with long-term health damage. People just HAD to travel and that was the price.

It was surely the most expensive Christmas in US history.

 

Yep, if you look at the covid waves, they perfectly correlate with holidays, in which people tend to get together. July 4th, Halloween, Thanksgiving, and then Christmas/New Year. I've said it before: Celebrate Thanksgiving with a big family get together, bury loved ones by Christmas. And that's exactly what happened.

That's really the saving grace in January: There is nothing to do, so people stay home. I am just surprised that there wasn't a clear wave yet after the super bowl. Maybe it is still too early to tell.

 

All depends on the mask. That mantra is getting old. You may be killing people by going out WITH a mask.

Don’t tell me. Tell Amazon, Facebook, Fauci, Biden, the CDC, and all the people still gallivanting about with cloth masks thinking they are “protecting others”. Tell the people (listed above) still lying about supplies of masks. I’ve been linking to N95 masks for sale for a couple months.

If you are only wearing a mask to protect others you are out of touch with reality and denying logic. Protecting yourself is possible, wise, and the right thing to do because if you aren’t infected you have much less chance of infecting someone else. I can’t believe people can’t figure that out for themselves. Too busy listening to bad advice from “experts” I guess to actually think...

 

Why? The main advisor is still the dude that dissed masks, lies/lied about social distancing, lies about mask availability, and doesn’t seem to exhibit much common sense.

 

He isn't that bad. He make some mistakes - I was/am mad at him because of them, but it is not like he is always saying wrong stuff, much the opposite (for those who haven't noticed, 557 is talking of Dr. Fauci). Not to forget, I like the new head of the CDC.

 

Since we are not a command economy, the sharp end of the needle is delegated to the governors in the states. It just so happens that the biggest failures were in the most populist states with the weakest governors.
The biggest reason this was so bad is it happened in an election year where every non incumbent was scrambling for position.

 

So you can't handle the truth. Got it.

Just because you could get them didn't mean front line workers didn't need them.

Many hospitals across the nation have been in crisis mode. But with the ICU occupancy dropping, there should be no supply issues now. That you wouldn't understand that sort of prioritization doesn't surprise me.

 

Or course I know you know this, but for the uninformed here: He was acting in the public interest. And there was a lot not yet known early on. There were also critical shortages. And if all of the health care workers got sick, we were REALLY screwed. All of this whining about Fauci by those who defend the guy who wanted to inject disinfectant, is pathetic.

 

Oh, I’m not the one who can’t handle the truth. I’m one of a handful of PF members capable of discerning the truth.

I have had masks with exhalation valves recommended to me by people telling me I need to wear a mask to protect others. Please explain how an N95 with an exhalation valve that allows less than 5% inward penetration but allows up to 55% outward penetration is protecting “others” more than the wearer? Oh, you can’t, because my statement “it depends on the mask” is an indisputable fact.

Yes, you were told to wear a mask to protect others. But you SHOULD have been told to wear a mask to protect yourself because remaining uninfected yourself is THE ONLY way to ensure you don’t infect others if you are in public or around others at home. So much of what you’ve been told and still believe is in direct opposition to empirical evidence in the realm of epidemiology.

Please quote me ANYWHERE on PF saying healthcare workers don’t need quality masks. Good luck.

As I have clearly demonstrated in this thread there has not been a shortage of N95 masks for quite some time. There are millions in inventory hospitals and government won’t buy but are still discouraging you from buying. Social media still won’t allow advertising to the public of these available masks. Experts like Fauci are still recommending against purchasing them as well. It is not a prioritization issue. You are being intentionally misled. And not by me. The information I provide you could save your life or the life of someone you love or a complete stranger. Do what you will with it, but it’s the truth.

 

This is probably one rare area where we strongly disagree. I maintain Fauci is very intelligent and talented. But he’s betrayed my trust too many times on too many issues for me to give him a pass.

His missteps, while few, have such massive and long lasting ramifications I simply can’t support him. He botched the mask issue so badly at a time other countries were handling it correctly with the same real time information and epidemiological background information I can’t see past that. Yes, we all make mistakes, but we have to be accountable and he hasn’t been. I’ve documented on PF further dishonest statements he’s made to excuse recommending against masks for six weeks while the pandemic grew from a spark to a raging inferno. It’s too bad because I find him likable as well.

 

Just for the record, my critical statements on Fauci are based on irrefutable evidence from the field of epidemiology. I’ve defended Trump on Covid once I can recall. A case where he was absolutely correct and I supplied evidence he was correct. You will find no record of me defending Trump’s stupid, incorrect, or misleading statements.

It’s time for everyone to take off their partisan blinders and judge people and information sources on their veracity as opposed to what tribe they support or how they make us “feel”. Our President has endorsed following the science on Covid-19. I propose we all do so.