Up to about 4 weeks ago, I only knew personally one person who died of Covid

Since the beginning of the Pandemic, there was only one person I was acquainted with who died of Covid. He was my childhood pediatrician, whom I hadn't seen or spoken to since I was about 16. He must have been about or close to 90 years old. He died very early in the Pandemic. In late March of last year. After that, it has been over a year of me hearing about all these deaths, some acquaintances of acquaintances, but nobody I had personally actually ever met (there was a second one who died around the same time and who I probably met, but I don't remember him)

But in the last three weeks, three people I had met at some point have died. First it was the technician about whom I opened a thread about 3 weeks or so ago. Two weeks ago it was a local right-wing radio host who came to be known as Mr. Anti-Vax, and who I had spoken to three or four times at different business networking events, and sometimes listened to on the radio.

I just learned of a third one. Somebody who was in my BNI networking group about 6 or 7 years ago.

So in the last three weeks, one person per week I met at some point has died. All three in Florida. All three unvaccinated.

How embarrassing is it that you die from Covid because you are unvaccinated, and only change your mind about vaccines when it's too late. But add to that that, since insurance companies don't cover you hospital bills if you are not vaccinated, you also leave your family stuck with a very hefty hospital bill.

I can barely imagine a more embarrassing way to die.

 

It's a sad Darwin Award.

 

The dead person won't be embarrassed.

I wonder what they are going to do when all these unvaccinated people's families can't cover their hospital bills.

 

The radio host, the guy that called himself "Mr Anti-Vax". I kinda liked the guy. He wasn't particularly smart, but he did listen to other people's opinions. I listened to him once in a while since I moved to Florida 20 years ago. He would have been remembered fondly by people on the right and the left. But he had to give himself the nickname "Mr. Anti-Vax". And that's all most people will remember about him. Sad, actually.

They'll probably just go out and vote for Trump again, so he can repeal Obamacare and get everybody stuck with hospital bills.

 

Not to be too skeptical, and I don't like to disbelieve people's anecdotal personal stories, but your credibility, Golem, is in a little bit of question, going by your past posting habits, many of which are extremely-over-the-top politically one-sided opening posts.
If you did not have the posting history you do, I would be much less likely to question you.

 

You know what? It seems to me that insurance companies should, if they are going to have this sort of strategy, at least cover the statistical difference in hospitalizations between vaccinated and unvaccinated. I mean if the statistics seem to indicate the vaccinated are 80% less likely to require hospitalization, then the insurance company should still cover 20% of an unvaccinated person's hospital bills.

Just because you are vaccinated does not mean you have no chance of catching the virus and needing to be hospitalized.

 

I'm not following.... question me about what?

 

questioning your credibility

 

Just in general? For a minute there I thought you had a point. Remind me not to take you seriously.

 

Are insurance companies not covering the unvaccinated now? I heard they may charge higher premiums like for smokers but I never heard they were going to refuse coverage even for covid related bills.

 

Before, most major insurance companies were creating a special exception and not requiring Covid patients to pay the normal out-of-pocket costs for their treatment.
Most of these insurance companies are no longer doing that now.

It appears the answer to your question is no.
Only in Golem's little imaginary world.

 

I read something about that a few weeks ago. I thought that was just related to the cost of testing and deductible cost that was waived originally.

 

Insurance companies were waving copayments and deductible fees for patients being treated for Covid. Most of them are no longer waving them because they consider it contrary to the goal of persuading people to get vaccinated. And even though they cover some of the treatment, the patient (or their family, if they die) will have to cover high deductibles and copayments for hospitalization that is usually several weeks long.

 

It is. Humans like to put people in neat little boxes and they get confused when it doesn't work. That's because people aren't 1-dimensional so neat boxes and flowcharts aren't effective tools for any kind of "sizing somebody up" or open communication. It just doesn't work no matter how much they try.

It is. I don't watch television or listen to the radio much. I'm more into nice music.

I don't like reporters telling me what to think about news. I just watch the person speak directly or read whatever documents and decide from there so I don't get stuck in the quicksand of partisan hatred.

However, because of your comments, I will make a point to look him up and watch. It sounds like he was an interesting so thanks for sharing that.

I wonder if they will scream and holler that he is too old since that was one of the "issues" with Biden. I think he'll be about that age (well, chronologically, not mentally) by then.

I think he should team up with Musk and go be King Dear Leader Orange Jesus of his own planet. Sometimes I have wishful thinking. ;-0[/QUOTE]

 

People die from the vaccines as well. That's why it is a personal choice and people shouldn't be looked down on for choosing not to vaccinate.

 

Please show reference of anybody who has been determined died because of any of the vaccines.

 

Please show proof that any of the more than 6,000 people the CDC says died shortly after receiving a vaccine did not die from the vaccine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...iving-contaminated-moderna-vaccine/ar-AAObQBx

By the way, it is about more than just deaths. There have been thousands of thousands of linked very serious adverse events connected with the vaccine.

 

You made the claim, you carry the burden of proof.

Are you now retracting your claim? Just say it! Because it's obvious that you have no other way out.

 

These people died shortly after getting the vaccine and YOU can't prove they died of something else. There are over 6,000 people so far, just in the US and out of that many people you can't prove even one of them died of something else, not one. Why is it that the the medical professionals are so incompetent that they can't prove what killed these people? Answer, because they are spinning things and not telling us the truth because they don't want us to know the truth. So, they are "investigating" and with over 6,000 deaths shortly after receiving a Covid vaccine, miraculously they can't figure out how any of these people died.

 

Dear God! A post-hoc fallacy? That's your proof that they died because of the vaccine?

So you made a claim that you are unable to support. Again! Thanks for playing...

 

Where is youre proof that they died of something else? Surely medical experts can figure this out. Why haven't they?

 

I have made no claim that they died of something else. YOU made the claim that they died of Covid.

You can either support that claim, or you can retract it. Either one of those would be the honorable way out. Do neither, and henceforth we will know we should not take any claim you make seriously.

 

Well, if you can't prove they died of something else and the CDC says they died shortly after being vaccinated, then what I said stands because you can't prove otherwise.

 

Wait, you changed what you originally stated.

You originally said insurance was NOT covering the hospital bills for unvaccinated, now you flip to they are not waiving the deductible and/or co payment. Big difference and you knew that, you just tried to make it sound more dramatic, which makes me question a lot of things you've posted lately. Did you hope to slip that false info in and hope no one noticed? Deductibles and copays have always been part of coverage. If someone is hospitalized for cancer, do you claim their insurance did not cover it if the patient is responsible for his deductible?

 

So you admit you make baseless claims and just expect others to prove you wrong.

That says quite a bit about how seriously we should take what you post.