US Deal With Taliban

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  1. Rugglestx

    Rugglestx Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't trust them either but I hope this deal works enough magic to be able to bring the majority of the troops home and leave them to their own devices over there in the Middle East.

    They have been fighting amongst themselves since time immemorial and that is not likely to change. Leave them to it.
     
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    Why do you think Trump made it a 1 week slow down in fighting?
    Not that I don't think we should get most of our guys out, it just tickles me that a week is good enough.
     
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    Like I said he is following up on his promise, which is good.

    If they do not hold up their end (which I think might be the case) then let the Predator Drones loose.

    I'm not even a violent guy but I would love to be on a AC130 letting loose on those cowards.

    As to why 1 week, I do not know. There is a reason I'm sure.
     
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    Who. The Trump Admin or the Taliban .. ? I sure hope we get out of there - but we have heard this story before.

    Nothing to keep an eye on - you want to support the Gov't - send them money and arms - like other Gov'ts we support - such as Israel.
    They will take care of it.

    As for our involvement - yet another failed regime change war. Soon enough we will be out of Iraq and Afghanistan - The Yemen war will end - the Syrian war as well. When the dust settles - Russia and China will be there doing the rebuilding getting the Return on our 6 Trillion dollar investment.
     
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    Pull out regardless. China seems eager to play 'civilize the barbarians.' They're welcome to it.
     
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    Current US strength in Afghanistan is currently 13,000 troops. Within a week, we will withdraw 5,000 of them. The rest will be pulled back within the pulled back to safe areas within the country. After that, the US forces will only defend themselves. A timeframe of 14 months is set for withdrawl of all US forces from Afghanistan. Under this agreement, the Taliban has promised to not allow foreign organizations/fighters to operate in their areas of control. This will ensure that the ongoing war is kept between the Afghanistan Government and the Taliban.

    President Trump is trying not to do what the Obama Administration did. A quick withdrawl, with no remaining foothold, and no status of forces agreement. This allowed for the rise of ISIS. Can the Taliban be trusted? Not even close. But keeping this war ongoing serves not purpose for the US. The objective of taking out Osama Bin Laden, and to giving the Afghanistan People the right of determining their own fate. Let's not forget, that the Taliban itself was not indigenous to the Afghanistan country. They came from the tribal areas in Pakistan. Without the US in country, there exists a chance for eventually ending the war.

    Is this a win for the US? No. Any chance we had for an all out win was ended at the beginning of the war. Under the Bush Administration, they chose to support the Northern Alliances instead of deploying a full compliment of US forces to take control of the country. As soon as the first US military advisors arrived in country, the Taliban started pulling back to Tora Bora. We allowed them to hide out caves within the mountains. The Bush Administration then chose not to commit enough troops to blockade the area, and starve them out. As a result, the Taliban was able to pull back to Pakistan, and run the war from across the borders. The third Bush mistake was not attacking the Tribal areas of Pakistan. Pakistan may have pretended to be an ally in the war on terrorism, but their refusal to clear the Tribal areas proves that to be otherwise. If you can not attack the leadership of your enemy, you can not win the war.
     
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    I pretty much agree except for the part about Obama. When Obama left Iraq it was at peace. Afghanistan is far from being at peace. But having said that it's not our job to instill peace on them.
     
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    It is meaningless and, most likely, just a ploy to pull out of Afghanistan. I support a pull out but I don't support playing games with the Taliban to do it. Let them have the place. It does nothing for the U.S. other than waste wealth.
     
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    US Forces being there keeps them on the defensive. Much harder to plans, coordinate and launch attacks when your on the defensive. Pretty basic military strategy.
     
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    Me, I don't trust those scumbags. Need to keep a sharp eye on them for sure.

    Dat's right, dey gonna go back to doin'...

    ... what dey was doin'...

    ... right before us an' Russia got involved.
     
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    I understand the military strategy. I just wonder why we should have a military strategy there. I'd like to see the U.S. deal with its addiction to being the planetary police force.
     
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    Because the Taliban means to do harm to the US and our allies. Taking the fight to them makes sense.
     
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    Not to me. I don't think they can hurt us here. If we are gone from Afghanistan they have neither the motivation nor means to do us harm in my opinion. Let the intelligence gatherers deal with them. If something comes up, then we can deal with it.
     
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    I think they can very much hit us domestically or internationally given enough free reign. Them on the run and hiding in caves is a much better option IMO :)
     
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    Obama pulled out of Iraq fulfilling the agreement George W. Bush made with the Iraqi government in 2008, where he had agreed to be out by a specific date, which Obama fulfilled.
     
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    THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP! icon_elmo.gif

     
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    You need to go back and do a little research. As soon as Obama announced that the US was withdrawing from Iraq, there was still an insurgency presence in Iraq, and there was also tensions between the rival parties. Things were far from peaceful. Obama tried to deflect his withdrawl screwup by claiming that he was bound to President Bush's stated withdrawl timeframe, but that was actually not true. Even members of Obama's administration said that Obama never attempted to renegotiate a delayed withdrawl. By announcing the precise date of withdrawl, he invited the escalation of the Insurgency.

    The timeframe this new agreement is dependent on the Taliban meeting certain requirements. A violation by the Taliban could trigger a end to the agreement, and extend the US forces in country. So, it is in the Taliban's best interest to inhere to the agreement.
     

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