US Opposes Palestinian Moves to Statehood

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  1. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    We've already established that unilateral annexations are proscribed under international law.
     
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    The USSR gave Crimea to Ukraine.

    They had every right to do so, as Ukraine and Russia were part of the same state.

    Ukraine was merely a semi-autonomous entity before 1991.
     
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    No USSR, no deal.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so because the USSR no longer exists, Crimea goes back to Russia??????????????

    lolol!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Alaska was sold to the USA by the Russian Empire, which no longer exists.

    so now Alaska belongs to the Russian Federation????????/

    dude, your logic is humor!!!!!!! :roflol:
     
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    You said yourself that Ukraine was part of the USSR. It might smart a tad to realise that the USA was not part of the Russian Empire. ' Bye now.
     
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    yes, Ukraine ws part of the USSR.

    and in 1991, when the USSR broke up, Russia acknowledged Crimea as being part of Ukraine.

    got it?
     
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    Not since 1954 when the Soviet Union returned it to the Ukraine.

    Extent of the Russian SFSR (red) within the Soviet Union
    (red and white) following World War II (1956).
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    how can one argue that Israel has no right to annex land....but Russia has the right to annex Crimea?

    talk about hypocrisy!!!!
     
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    But did the Russian people vote to give it away? Kruschev gave it away on a druken whim.
     
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    the Russian people also didn't vote for all the territorial conquests under the Czars.

    lol!!!! you keep moving the goalposts and its funny. :)

    did the Germans vote to let Kaliningrad become part of Russia???
     
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    The democratic will of the people only seems to apply when it suits your partisan perspective.
     
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    when did the Germans vote to give up Konigsberg and Danzig?

    lol!!!!!

    when did the Polish people vote to give large parts of the east to Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine..and trade it for parts of Germany?

    lol!!!!
     
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    Strawmen points.
     
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    you built up the strawman, friend. :)
     
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    I thought moon made an interesting point that I never thought about before. I agree with you though, that on balance, Russia's actions in Crimea were illegal.
     
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    An election held 5 days after they decided to have one in which most of the people didn't participate, isn't much of a measure of democratic will. Nothing but a charade.
     
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    what percent of the voting age population of crimea participated in the referendum?
     
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    As Craig Murray said, you couldn't get 97% of people to vote for free ice cream.
     
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    the referendum took place during military occupation by foreign troops.

    if the Russian soldiers went away, the referendum would have had very different results.
     
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    I still think a majority would have voted in favour. I agree, though, that the percentage would have been far lower, which is why I quoted the view of the former UK diplomat, Murray.
     
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    Russia confirmed the whim in 1994 in the Budapest memorandum.
     
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    There is no imperialism towards Ukraine from the side of Russia. Ukraine will not bring resources or wealth. Nothing but debts and instability. But the people who are asking for help are worthy of exposing ourselves at any risks. If Israel decides to sacrifice its safety in order to improve the living of the people from the west bank - I will definetely respect such a policy. BTW some of Israeli political parties are choosing this way. That is the only way for the whole Israel to survive.
     
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    No one really condemed Russia for annexing Crimea, the intrests of Russia in that part are logical and the weak response from the west proves it, but why all those troops on the border and why making those statements about any harm to Russian citizens is an offense on Russia, it doesnt look like Putin said the last word yet.
     
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    The Crimea has been found recently to have 1000 Times the amount of Natural Gas Deposits then were previously thought.

    THAT is why Putin annexed the Crimea..NOT because Putin did it for Russian Crimean's because the LAST thing Russia needs is another territory that is poor and would place a drain upon Russian Tex Money and resources.

    The Crimea has a LOT of Natural Gas.

    Putin knew this and he knew if U.S. or E.U. Corps. were brought in to the Crimea by the Ukrainian's and quickly developed and drilled Gas reserves then they could use the current large and complex Natural Gas Pipeline System already in the Ukraine that supplies Russian Gas to Europe and thus the Ukraine could under cut Russian Gas Prices and replace Russia as Europe's #1 Supplier of Natural Gas.

    THAT IS WHAT ANNEXING THE CRIMEA WAS ALL ABOUT!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    You think so ? Provide the text.

    In 1995 the Ukrainian government attempted to stifle Crimean independence by abolishing its democratic Constitution and the role of its elected President. Anybody with any respect for the democratic process will agree with the Crimeans themselves- Crimea is part of Russia.

     

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