US tech workers are too expensive, we need to replace them with H1B immigrants!

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  1. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Musk needs cheap technical workers, Trump needs cheap workers, H1B visas is perfect solution!
    We can force American tech workers to be patriots and to work for less, H-1B visa is a perfect tool!

    Questions Surround Disney’s Past Use of H-1B Visas in Replacing Domestic Workforce
    https://thatparkplace.com/disney-h-1b/
    Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/28/trump-musk-h1b-visas
    Lets Make America Great Again by reducing salaries of American tech worker!
    MAGA, MAGA and MAGA!
     
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    H1-B is used to train foreign workers, so they can go back to their own country and take our jobs with them as foreign outsourcing is the end goal

    this is a huge national security risk, of course Trump supports it
     
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    If this is not fake news (probably is) then Trump needs tell Musk that the goal is to fix government, not the private sector. How companies pay employees is none of government's business.
     
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    The MSM is trying to whip this up into a big controversy and sow division in MAGA ranks.

    Controlled, legal immigration of highly qualified workers is a benefit to the US and not a problem.

    Illegal aliens with no education and limited skills flooding in uncontrollably is a huge problem. They are an even worse problem considering the number of criminals among them.

    We should not allow any "refugees" to enter. If a person is not capable of success in their home country, they should not be allowed to enter.
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very funny - it shows how some people don't want to hear bad news - simple search 'musk trump h1b' will solve this problem, but why who wants to hear bad news?
    Trump needs tell Musk that the goal is to fix government? Why do you think Musk invested $200 millions in Trump?
    And why do you think Trump cares about the US more than he cares about himself - because he said so?
     
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    This is exactly what I said - cheap workers are benefit to the US, this is the reason we must force American workers to earn less, and President Trump knows exactly how to do it:

    Trump lifted the cap on H-2B worker visas. Then his businesses asked for 76 of them.
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/20/16003254/trump-h2b-visa-program

    Even Biden agrees that we need to replace expensive American workers by cheaper foreigners:
    https://cis.org/Law/Biden-Administration-Continues-Admit-Cheap-Foreign-Workers
    Biden Administration Pairs Humanitarian Aid and H-2B Visa Expansion with Trump-Style Border Enforcement in Venezuelan Response Plan
    https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...id-and-h-2b-visa-expansion-trump-style-border
    Great American company Disney - showed how to replace expensive American workers by cheaper foreigners:
    https://thatparkplace.com/disney-h-1b/
    President Trump is proud of his record of hiring cheaper H1B immigrants:
    Trump defends foreign worker visas, siding with Musk amid MAGA backlash
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/28/politics/trump-musk-foreign-worker-visas-backlash/index.html
    Lets hope in order to Make America Great Again American workers will agree to reduce their salaries.
     
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    Maga wants cheap labor, which means less taxes, means more debt and harder to pay off the debt we have
     
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    So, now that the Trump team has supported H1B employment why don't you tell me how this is any different than Biden's border/immigration crisis??? In both cases, the emphasis is placed on foreigners, not US citizens. How is this any different?
     
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    https://asiatimes.com/2024/12/trump-settles-maga-movement-feud-on-tech-visas/
     
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    Trump was supposedly pro AMERICAN labor work force, but Musk changed his opinion for him. It’s fine if Trump agrees with Musk that Americans are too stupid to do tech jobs, but let’s not pretend that laying off Americans so you can pay less for labor is pro-America.
     
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    So now Trump will be pro minimum wage? How very republican of him.
     
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    if they added a yearly cost of 100k to hire a h1b, sure, let corps hire them, I mean they really need them that much right

    maybe help pay off the debt.... course we all know they would find Americans to do the job then
     
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    Not sure, I only have a quote from Musk about it. If you're asking whether theres gonna be 100% consensus on everything, well I would guess no.
     
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    Simple.
    If there are no US workers able to do the job, yes get a foreign national in to help, but with rules.
    No computer programmers. They can code from their home country and send the code via the internet, no need for them to actually be in the US. This could be applied to other industries where they can work remotely.
    The hiring company must pay the foreign national 25% more than they would have to pay a US worker, and the employer must pay for their health insurance and supply accommodation all the time the visa is valid. This will stop any abuses and encourage the US company to employ US workers who will now work for 25% less pay than the foreign national.
    At the moment if a foreign national in the US on a visa loses their job they have 60 days in which to find a sponsor for a new visa, change their immigration status or return home. Get rid of that caveat so if they lose their job, they lose their visa and have to leave the US within say, 14 days.
    Revoke the H-4 visa program so only the worker with the visa can come to the US, not the whole extended family. No chance of anchor babies in case Trump can't stop that abuse of the immigration system.
    Best of both worlds.
     
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    Maybe. I have a visa to work in Canada, which I do a few weeks out of the year. Ostencibly my boss has to demonstrate that there arent any Canadians to do the work that I do there. I dunno how he demonstrates that, I don't think I have a particularly hard-to-find skillset ...but certainly it would be difficult for him to find a new employee in Canada who only works a few weeks a year. Which means its not me or my skillset that is the limiter, rather bureaucratic expediency -payroll and insurance regulations- is the limiter.
     
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    I think -and hope- it will end up being something like that. Though I do think there should be an avenue toward citizenship -and bringing along family- for people who come here to work. Just something more like a winding mountain road to citizenship rather than the bullet train free for all.
     
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    Trump actually worked hard to fight abuses of the law used to put Americans out of work.
    https://www.america-times.com/trump-cracks-h1b-visa-fraud-abuse/
     
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    He came out in favor of Musk’s plan immediately.
     
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    He didn't say they are too expensive, he was promoting a post which said Americans are too "retarded" to handle such jobs.

    But IMO he has a point, because companies should be able to hire who they want as long as proper vetting is done.

    As for Trump, of course many of his voters feel betrayed, because he is changing his views on #1 issue, even before taking office.
     
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    you mean a contractor, many of those avail
     
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    Both types are a problem. The "controlled" as you say are a problem because they are simply not highly qualified workers. We're talking about coders, not physicists. That can be learned with a Coding bootcamp. The issue is that these foreign imports are bringing down the wage rates for Americans. That may be a benefit to specific US corporations, but not to actual Americans.
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    Are you sure they are bringing down wages for Americans? The ones I have worked with the past 30 yrs have made a good living. Also, the so called "coders" are not brought to the US, they work remotely from India, while the more experienced engineers who can work with clients, design and solve problems are brought here. Typically they start as coders in India and work 5-6 yrs on the application and when they know it well enough, they are brought here.

    "As of Dec 23, 2024, the average annual pay for a H1B in the United States is $167,533 a year. Just in case you need a simple salary calculator, that works out to be approximately $80.54 an hour.
    https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/H1B-Salary#:~:text=As of Dec 23, 2024,be approximately $80.54 an hour."
     
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