USA "democarcy": Gays & lesbians are forcing majority to love them again!

Was I talking to you?

 

I am not gonna run from something I don't like. I will fight it.

 

This is an open forum. If you do not like your hypocrisy being called out, do not create any.

 

If you think the US is a tyranny, then by all means go back to Russia. I will even pitch in for your one way ticket.

 

I agree, you are not a democracy, did you see that I used quotes in the name of the thread? You are tyranny: majority is trashed in US and things are mostly done in a favor of minority, simply because they are minority. As we see Jerry Brown acted in favor of 2% of people and ignored a will of 98%.

But the reason I refer to democracy, is because USA is screaming on whole world that for example Russia doesn't have a democracy, Belarus doesn't have a democracy, Arabic countries doesn't have a democracy, this is why you are in Afghanistan, in Iraq, bombing Libia.
If you are not a democracy, why the hell you want whole world to be democratic???
For example we see this accusation again Former USSR: A democratic deficit.

 

These are not rights, they are benefits. Don't mix them!

BTW, I am not discussing marriages here, neither I raised this topic, it's done by Jonny-C.
These benefits are given to people who give birth to the kids, they bring life. They deserve it. You don't. Why you should have more, but do less for the society?
Marriage is closely associated with procreation and majority of the married couples have kids, while gay couple can't have a kid, because of the same sex.

Good example:
Prisoners. They have many of their rights taken away, because they committed crimes. There is a reason. You do damage to the society - they take your rights.
Veterans. They have more benefits for reasons, right? Veterans served their country, endangering their lives. They deserve it.
Same with you: you do less - you get less. You do more, you get more. Ok? Is that clear?

 

Same to you.

 

No. Since I am 100% believe in freedom and democracy, I will fight the tyranny imposed by minorities on majority. I will not leave my oppressed brothers and sisters, like you will not leave your gay boyfriends. If you don't like me, you leave, go create country, called "Gayland". Take all your oppressed gay boyfriends and live with them any way you want!

 

Purhaps if you knew what a tyranny actually is, you would see that America isnt a tyranny.


tyranny

Now the 535 idiots we got running around in DC are all ELECTED officials. Elected as in elected by the PEOPLE. I say 535 and not 536 because Ron Paul is the only decent elected member. Also keep in ming, every single state also has a state chamber that is setup like Congress.

So as you can see, the U.S. is not a tyranny.

As I stated before, the U.S. is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. This shouldn't be too hard for you to understand since you have said that you are not easily swayed by the US media. But yet you consistently bring up the media and how the media claims we are a democracy. So which one is it? Are you just trying to blow smoke up are butts to make yourself 'sound' intelligent?

Also, as stated before, we have constitution to protect the minority from being overrun by the majority, If you don’t like the constitution, that’s just too bad. GO back to Russia then.

 

Those are not benefits, THOSE ARE LEGAL RIGHTS that come with marriage. Straight people have those 1400 RIGHTS, homosexuals do not – its called EQUAL PROTECTION under the law.

You really need to get your facts straight! Saying why should I have more rights shows a complete and utter ignorance for what gay rights.

Also procreation has NOTHING to do with marriage. Again, get your facts straight.

Veterans have more BENEFITS, not more RIGHTS. Come back when you can distinguish between the 2.

 

This was being discussed well before I responded to YOU (in particular); what are YOU talking about?

Okay. Yet not all heterosexual couples produce children; should they be denied "benefits" (as you refer to them)?

You 'believe' that, but you don't know and should not have autonomy over anyone, concerning that.

Why would YOU be concerned at all, if two people are in a serious, committed relationship?

Yet not predicated-upon the same. Not ALL married couples have children, many do not intend to.

Of course.

You show again, how little you know about human sexuality overall. Simple fact, MANY gay couples have children.

 

United States Constitution

Here ya go....if you want to be part of this country, then I suggest you read our constitution.

Its funny how you sit here and yak your trap about freedom. If you did care about freedom you would stand up for EQUAL RIGHTS for all, regardless if you agree with their agenda or not. I fight for the rights of others, whether I agre with them our not, because I do not want MY RIGHS taken away from me. Think about that.

When you can tolerate what the opposition has to say, and support the oppositions right to their say and their rights, then and only then can you claim you are for freedom. Until then, you are just another bigoted homophobe spewing out bigoted bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

1. arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.
2. the government or rule of a tyrant or absolute ruler.
3. a state ruled by a tyrant or absolute ruler.
4. oppressive or unjustly severe government on the part of any ruler.
5. undue severity or harshness.

I see it fits at least to 4 fist items. There are never just 1 tyrant, there could be also a group of tyrants. You are 2% of population oppressing 98%. Regarding the 5, it's couldn't be necessary 100% undue severity and harshness in forcing 98% study something what they might not want.
Go build a country "GayLand", I stay fighting for democracy!

 

absurd

Using your logic, the fight for equal rights in the 50's and 60's shoud not be taught either.

PS: You are not fighting for freedom, you are fighting for bigotry.

 

No, they are benefits, like benefit of "joint parenting". You don't deserve them, since you don't give a birth to kids. So, I am against it.
Of course, you think that it's not for procreation, I don't think that why.
Talk with Jonny-C about it. He started this topic, but I told you my opinion. Come back after you talk with Jonny-C.

 

It's amazing to see, how many people who are anti-gay, also 'indicate' (not necessarily admit) that they have irrational animus toward other people's rights in-general. I suppose abject bashing and vilifying of homosexuals is the most acceptable 'outlet' they can engage in.

You are absolutely correct; that IS what he is doing/advocating.

 

Where does the constitution say that 2% of the people should oppress 2%?
Why are all in "EQUAL RIGHTS for all"? Prisoners are also "all"? Right?
I don't want my rights taken from me either, ok?
Watch your mouth, btw, you sound to me like a bigoted homo spewing out bigoted bull(*)(*)(*)(*)

 

Then you would be opposed to having a straight man adopt his wifes child that is not his? To say no, would be extremely hypocritical and show you what you really are.

But it's hypocritical for you to sit here and say, you are against the 'benefit' (a right really) of joint parenting, then say you are fighting for freedom. Sorry, you cannot fit a square beg in a round hole.

 

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

Prisoners do not have rights, because they gave up their rights when they VIOLATED someone elses. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Didn’t like prison when you were there?

If you don't want your rights taken away, then stand up for others and their rights.

Watch my mouth? Are you threatening me? If you don't like that fact I'm calling out your bigotry, that is tough (*)(*)(*)(*). But you shouldn't go around threatening people.

 

I don't call it "absurd", when 1 man decided for majority(98%) what should should they study in a school, in favor of 2%. It's a tyranny, of course, it's not a hash tyranny and not just by 1 man, but still small group of people.
"Equal rights" for marriage is simply inapplicable, because they get more benefits, because they give a birth to a child. You give more to society, you get more.

 

martin_777, the ignorance you are repeatedly displaying is simply annoying. I just typed your screen name out, because within 193 posts of this thread, you've shown me that my "ignore list" is the proper place for your screen name.

You have a right to participate here, for sure... but your intransigence combined with you ignorance, doesn't 'deserve' anymore of reasonable people's serious attention.

See you later.

 

No, I don't oppose having a straight man adopt his wifes child that is not his. It's natural, when kid has mother and father and not natural, when it has 2 fathers or 2 mothers, for example.

I am fighting for freedom of choice for kids, what they want to study in the school. I am against when 1 guy decided in favor of 2% ignoring 98%.

 

Again, nothing but bigoted nonsense is being spewed here. Using this logic, then NOTHING should be taught in school, as the KKK will have a problem with civil rights from the 60's being taught in schools. Religious nut-jobs should have a problem with science being taught in schools.

I have brought this up and you refuse to acknowledge it. Go figure.

It is very applicable. This is just simply a case that you don’t want a particular group of people having the same rights as you. Hypocritical of you saying this and then saying you are fighting for freedom.

You bring up red herrings of procreation. Since you believe procreation is the key here, I would assume that straight couples who never have children should have their marriage rights taken away also correct? So if the husband of a childless marriage get into a comma, then the wife shouldn’t have the right to see him right? After all, they didn’t have a child and didn’t give back to society right?

 

You said "Equal rights for all". Prisoners are also "all". You didn't elaborate "all".

I told you "watch your mouth" when you told me this "Until then, you are just another bigoted homophobe spewing out bigoted bull(*)(*)(*)(*).".
"watch your mouth" is not a threat, it's a request. Where do you see a threat? Playing a poor gay victim???
Don't victimize yourself, I know that it's your common gay strategy.

 

Ahhh now were getting somewhere, you are just a bigoted homophobe. There is no difference between 2 men raising a child or 2 women raising a child when one of them is the natural parent vs a man adopting his wife’s child that is not his.

The only difference is your bigoted perception.

Children of Same-Sex Couples Do as Well as Other Children

Opps!