Vaccine's protection against infection may wane in just months

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The protection Pfizer's Covid vaccine offers against being infected by the virus may begin waning in just a matter of months (perhaps around as little as two months).

    After about 5 to 7 months, Pfizer's vaccine effectiveness appeared to be only around around 20%. Though it might actually be lower than that, since only about a third of the infections were diagnosed "on the basis of symptoms", which suggested that silent asymptomatic infections were more common.

    Pfizer Protection Against COVID Infection Wanes, Still Prevents Death: Studies (insider.com)


    This really begs the question of whether forcing and coercing people to take these vaccines is really justified. If it's not preventing infection and the spread of the virus very much, what's the point? In that case it should be more of an individual decision.


    They say the vaccine can still offer some protection against needing to be hospitalized after that, and that this type of protection begins waning after about 6 months.

    "Protection against asymptomatic infection diminished more quickly than that against symptomatic infection, as would be expected in a vaccine that prevents symptoms," the researchers in Qatar said. "These findings suggest that a large proportion of the vaccinated population could lose its protection against infection in the coming months."
     
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    The very story in this page the antivax claims only protects for a couple of months actually still shows vaccines can produce very good protection after 6 months!

    This is why so much of anti-vaxers propaganda is baloney.

     
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    It seems you are moving the goal posts. The Pfizer vaccine was supposed to protect against infections up to 95%. That doesn't seem to be working out as time goes by. In our county, the break through cases are up to 30%. So, it's not perfect. But, it's better than 100%. As time goes on, boosters may be needed. The jury is still out on the Moderna vaccine for a booster.
     
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    I agree that they have moved the goal posts. When I was getting my flu shot the guy said really it is 6 months until you need a covid booster and he has heard they are trying to come up with one that lasts about a year. I personally don't plan to get the booster if it is just more of the same I have already had. In a few weeks I may go back and get the pneumonia vax just to triple up to get through this winter. After that, whatever happens, happens. He said I didn't need the pneumonia vax at all, but hey why chance it plus it is free to me with my health insurance.
     
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    So having continued protect from Covid is just "more of the same"?

    Yeah, maybe I should stop changing my car's oil and worn tires, put more money in my checking account after spending, and shaving my beard since it is just more of the same!
     
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    What you do with your tires, engine, checking account and face is up to you. What I do with mine is my decision.
     
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    I don't mine booster shots. We get them with other vaccines. I just see it as another annual flu vaccine if this is the case. I just wish they could stop the pneumonia that complicates the disease. They have things like monoconal antibody shots that do work but you have to demand to get it. I found out that people don't just get that when they go to the hospital. All they get is Tylenol. True.
     
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    It is not the idea of a booster shot. It is that the booster shot of the same thing that isn't working that well now is not likely to work any better so why bother. The delta plus subvariant is even 10-15% more transmissible than the delta variant. They need to go back to the drawing board.
     
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    I agree that companies will have to continue to improve their vaccines. But, that doesn't mean the booster won't help. It will. Just like you have to get a new (booster) flu shot every year even if it's the same flu coming around again. You have to get a booster for other vaccines as well over the years. And, it has been working better than the flu shots. Much better.
     
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    You have it very wrong. That protection (95%) is against HOSPITALISATION, not infection.
     
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    The pneumonia is far more common in those under 80 who a) are obese, or b) who don't seek treatment early enough in the course of their COVID infection. It's a distinct group of behaviours which lead to this problem, so it's easily avoidable.

    If you're not obese, and you seek treatment at the first sign of infection, you're unlikely to develop pneumonia.
     
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    Yep, the goal post moved. It started as infection protection and moved to hospitalizations and now to deaths. Fauci the Terrible keeps on moving the goal posts and Biden follows like a puppy dog.
     
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    Obesity is a problem. But, so are other things as well. Such as High Blood Pressure and Diabetes in which both aren't always associated with obesity. The pneumonia is also different than the regular bacterial and viral kind. It's on the outside of the lungs which ends up collapsing the lungs as it has with a friend of mine. He needs a lung transplant to save him from walking around with an oxygen bottle. Seems like there should be way to kill it. Trump suggested some ideas and I bet it's out there but doesn't make the companies money and will stop the communists from trying to imprison us with all their tyranny.
     
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    Since you brought up the flu, there are also studies that suggest repeated flu vaccinations renders them less effective over time compared to the first time they are given.
     
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    The key is EARLY treatment. That's true of all pneumonias .. most of which develop as a result of untreated or disregarded viral infections.
     
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    I wouldn't doubt that. I usually get sick when I get the flu vaccine. So, I don't usually get it :fishing:
     
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    When your brakes wear out and kill other people, when your engine spews gross levels of pollution you sicken everyone, when your checking account is untended and defrauds other businesses and people, what you do becomes everyone's decisions.
    Not grooming your face hair, you can get fired or not hired for many jobs, but indeed, that is your decision.
     
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    It is my decision.
     
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    For now...
     
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    It will always be my decision. Like I said, I've already gotten 2 so I have checked Biden's box which is all he is interested in doing. He gets off on the idea of forcing people to do things. Once the House flips next year, he will be a lame duck and nobody will give a crap about COVID.
     
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    This isn’t a vaccine. It’s an entirely new experimental gene therapy and it’s not working out like planned. You are also not being told the possible side effects or the numerous people that have been severely injured, one of the a 13 year old girl that participated in a Pfizer clinical trial.
     
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    Actually, children and adults have adverse reactions with all vaccines. In fact, there are like 1 out of 10,000 that die from children vaccines. Might even be more than that. So, one 13 year old girl had an adverse reaction out of hundreds of millions who have gotten the vaccine. Not a reason to not get the shot. And, the adverse reactions are rare. Ya, I know people personally that got rashes and infections. But, they survived. The talk about problems with the heart are just talk. There has not been anything substantiated with this. Just rumors.
    True, the Covid19 vaccines are not the traditional type of dead virus used. But, that doesn't mean it's not a vaccine. Vaccines prevent an illness. However, with these types of COVID viruses, just like the flu, they are not 100% effective. The flu vaccine is under 50% effective. More like 25% effective. With the Original Covid19 virus, these vaccines have been very effective. 95% effective. With the variances, in our county, we keep track of a 14 day infection breakthrough rate. Right now, they are about 80% effective. I'll take those odds over the virus any day.
     
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    Ah, so dead kids that don’t even need the experimental gene therapy is a good thing.
     
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    Same here. But you know, if flu had the kind of ferocity and kill rate as covid-19, I'd take it every time. In terms of the OP, realistically how many thought a long term vaccine would be possible for a virus, given the flu vaccine needs constant boosting?
     
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    Cynically, I suspect it might have just been part of a deceptive trick to try to get people to take it.

    Promise them the world, when the expected reality was far less.

    People were given the impression that if they took the vaccine, they wouldn't have to wear a mask anymore, that they could go places without fear, that it was nearly impossible for them to catch it or spread it to other people if they had gotten the shot, that this was the magical solution that was going to end all their worry and allow them personal liberation from the restrictions of the pandemic. That one shot is all it would take, and then it would all be over.
    What would be the percentage of people who would have actually taken it if they knew the lackluster truth? (Yeah, it might sort of help a little bit, but everything for you individually still remains the same. Oh, and you have to keep getting the shot over and over again for it to retain its initial moderate level of potency)
     
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