Vatican bars gay union blessing, says God 'can't bless sin'

Religions can have their rules. Don't like therm? Then join another religion. There is no reason for this to be an issue.

 

Or join another denomination, hence the "vegetarian in the steakhouse" analogy.

 

that logic doesn't hold water in the "woke" society

Christianity is supposed to accept gay-sex as being acceptable

The Boy Scouts were to accept cross dressers and scout leaders who prefer boys

Bakers don't want to make anti-semite cakes or gay marriage cakes, but are forced to do as such

logic and common sense are long gone

 

Perversion is hardly advancement except maybe to members of a cult or priest craft. Neither is sexual perversion a matter of religion as much as it is an insult to conscience. One need not be religious to know right from wrong. Neither do excuses and rationalizations whisk it away to nothingness. Charity that endures is not an endorsement. Since when have these new age gurus gotten such a stranglehold on reason that plain truth should wear shame, and lies strut boastfully. Speak plain and these new age sheep shed their wool and bare fangs, growling. This is a clear sign of the path one treks if signals are any substitute for common sense and basic human decency. What has happened to Americans that to speak plainly is dubbed hateful and aggressive. Has God become evil and the adversary good? Is arson glorious? Was the Challenger explosion a raging success? City life and country life are alternate lifestyles. And perversion is perverse.

 

We must obey God rather than men

Acts 5:29

I am the LORD, and I do not change

Malachi 3:6

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever

Hebrews 13:8

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I see your point and in fact I argued for legal recognition for SSM in the US for nearly 10 years on here before it finally became law. Now same-sex couples have that right and cannot be discriminated in law by governmental agencies.

That said I always held (and still hold) that individual churches should have the choice about who to marry or not. You can't realistically expect the Church of the Ku Klux Klan to bless interracial marriages (I'm in one BTW) and so forth. They are individual private clubs in that regard and should be left to their own devices.

As stated there are plenty of religious institutions that will officiate same-sex weddings but it's the license that makes the marriage. The "wedding" is really just a wholly optional shindig. You don't need that to be married.

There's some gray area with respect to receiving governmental subsidy with respect to tax breaks but, for the most part, for me, that's too small of an issue to get hung up on.

It's different when you have an established church like the Church of England in the UK because they are part of the government so they shouldn't be receiving tax benefits and have Bishop members sitting in the House of Lords making policy if they are actively discriminating against tax paying citizens IMO (I don't know if they do or don't BTW, that's just an example).

 

All written by man.

 

Very Well stated.!!

 

Are you suggesting that violating any rule in Leviticus is a sin? Because there are lots of rules in Leviticus not many folks follow. Leviticus includes rules against things like touching an unclean animal, having unkempt hair, going to religious services within weeks of having a new child, mixing fabrics in clothing, and sewing seeds of different kinds in the same field.

 

If Pope Francis I is going to not allow Gay marriage in the catholic Church, You can still have Gay Marriage elsewhere. I once a traditional catholic priest if Gay marriage should be allowed and he told me" "Absolutely Not!" It should be OK to have Gay Marriage in San Francisco, Wouldn't it?

 

Not just San Francisco....

 

Maybe not just San Francisco but in other gay friendly places as well.

 

Of course they declined, and that's why we have the mess we have today - and it's going to get worse until desperation sets in. Whoever survives then, will have to take a good look at themselves. I mean how can the Holy Spirit dwell in a Church when it rejected God? Either you're with God, or away from God. You can't have both.

Well, maybe they feel that even though God gave them bodies, it doesn't mean they shouldn't desecrate it if they want to.

Whoop de doo
and bully, bully to you!
We will do
what we want to do - Jeannette

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What Pope Francis is thinking wouldn't be politically correct. Even though about 15 years ago then President Geprge W. Bush was going to ban same sex marriage a nd have it into a constitutional amendment and that did not go at all. There are bible verses that go against homosexuality making it a mortal sin. There was Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church saying "God Hates ****" and that campaign went down. Gay Marriage is leagal in the United States and that is true. There will be those that can tolerate Homosexuals and there are those that don't and won't and that is the way it is.

 

You should add to it:

All written by man, and enlightened by God's Holy Spirit.

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I don't think people realize what the real problem is. We are all sinners, but there's a difference between someone recognizing their sin, and knowing their weaknesses, and someone who wants to make their deviancies an acceptable life style.

A Churches purpose is to retain the image of God within us, that way our sins won't block out His light after death. When homosexuality is being proselytized as an acceptable lifestyle, it draws more people into the cycle of deviancy and sin.

The consequences of our sins, and that includes all sins such as our extermination of humanity through wars and famine, the prevalence of the occult, and the biological offenses, won't be only after death since they are shaking the very foundation of the earth and world we live in.

In the OT, God tried to show us the consequences of our actions, yet His message has been ignored throughout the centuries. The sufferings though were always within limited areas. This time though, the sins and offenses has become a world wide phenomenon. As the only super power, we have managed these past decades, to impose our standards and ills all over the world, so that instead of being a beacon of light, we have become a beacon of death. I cry for my country.

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No, just words written by man.

 

But you're discarding the experiences of millions of people in the world.

I am a fool if thinkest so,
that how I go, others will go
and that the thoughts, that I will show
will changest that which you dost know - Jeannette

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Plus eating shellfish. The whole thing is just nonsense.

 

I disagree, and so does the Catholic Church, which happens to be the topic here. The RCC (and most other denominations) believes the words are inspired by the Spirit as per 2 Tim 3:16, and they base their decision on that. They have the authority over such decisions in their own church. Your disagreement is irrelevant.

2 Tim 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

 

Matthew19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

Greed is a sin, so the whole of American society is crammed full of sinners....judge not lest ye be judged....

 

Will they be excommunicated:

 

The RCC would say that, wouldn't they, the same people who cover up child abuse on an industrial scale, the most sick organisation on the planet.

 

There are no experiences to be discarded. Only beliefs.

 

Good for them, at least they have some morals.