Vegas GOP Debate

Just the perspective of an Independent looking for an alternative to the bad president in the WH now.

I think that Newt has actually done best so far (surpise to me!).

Cain doesn't seem as likeable or charsimatic tonight.

Ron Paul had some really great moments but he said a few things that will be used against him with todays "Conservatives" (whatever that means anymore). Especially when it came to defense and foreign aid.

Romney is very smooth but he just seems like such a part of "The Political Machine" (anyone else getting that feel from him?

Perry is just plain bombing. And his BS about reincarnating the "Drill baby drill" mantra as a solution to all our economic problems is stupid. He really looks bad tonight.

Bachmann was well-dressed. That's all I'll say because to do otherwise will have her Loyal Few, pulling out their race-cards.. .er I mean this year's version: gender-cards - then I'll be called a misogynist. Let's just say that she would be an absolute guarantee of a second term for Obama. Why is she still there?

Why is Santorum still there?


Nobody actually answered the following questions:

What would you do about the economy (Cain gave a sort of answer)?
What would you do about the housing / foreclosure problem?
What would you do about unemployment that hasn't already been done?
Would you cut the Defense budget by $500B? (Paul answered superbly!)

They all did the same thing on those questions: "It's all Obama's fault!"

Okay fine. It is. No one asked you whose fault it is, we want to know what you'd DO about it? Nothing that I saw.

Geez. At this point the only two I'd be willing to vote for are Gingrich or Romney. Well maybe Cain. This is the best the GOP has to offer?

Well, maybe when they're done cannibalizing their own, they might look better. Let's hope!

 

Horrible venue and format.

Newt was absolutely right when he criticized the questions that seemed to be intentionally designed to get the candidates bickering.

The format was much better in the last debate where they were all seated around a table. More content and expansion of ideas.....less squabbling.

Romney and Perry both were diminished a bit. Cain wasn't given ample opportunity to defend his tax reform plan.

New mentioned he would like a 2 hour debate with the Obama without moderator........ I would pay to see that.

 

I agree on the format.
TERRIBLE..
Cnn is a liberal media outlet.
The debate was directed to demean the personalities of the individuals.
There has NEVER BEEN ANY KIND OF ARGUMENTATIVE questions asked of Obama and Hillary in any form of debate.
Pointed at each to draw each others weakness out for DEMOCRATS TO EXPLOIT..not for individuals sitting on the fence.
There was not 1 single passionate vote for your person changed tonight.
Paul is and was Paul..
Same for Romney..and everyone else.

The individual sitting un decided will probably say .. I might re look at Obama after this..and that was the CNN debate plan.

The main things happen AFTER the debate.
1. I don't accept Cain's explanation about prisoner exchange with terrorist..I have seen the whole deal...I couldn't screw that up..it wasn't too fast for me to understand.

2. I dont accept Cain's apples to oranges about taxes..It is a increase on the population that can least afford to pay more taxes..
I wont rely on his study group ALONE. We must lean more.

3. Paul on Iran missiles..Sorry ol man..TOAST.
Next explain to Japan and South Korea that if you are president they are on their own..along with Israel. I guess if we have no bases anywhere..we surrender to anyone outside our air force.
Why they didn't ask him about existing defense pacts we have with long standing friendly nations is beyond me..ALMOST like CNN
wants PAUL to surge ?

4. Perry.. That's the BEST you got ?
Hell ,I may run for governor of Texas..I could kick his butt in debate.
The illegal lawn care deal with Romney is last political season old.
How ROMNEY OWNED you was pathetic..Maybe we should all convert ?

5. Funny How Romney had to play DEFENSE all night long..Paul never has to explain wacky comments about 1 trillion dollar cuts without specifics..
Why not 3 trillion Paul ?
No commentator asked him about his executive experience or business leadership capabilities..I wonder why ?

 

I dunno.Seems these Debates are more an opportunity for the Mainstream
Media to pick apart the Conservatives who actually care about trying to
solve what Democrats,again, {as in Jimmy Carter} manifestly have shown
to have screwed up BIG TIME.
Even when these Drat malfeasant Dimocrats have demonstrated
firsthand who and what is the problem { as in THEM } they still manage to
find ways to pin blame everywhere but at their own doorstep.
Newt Gingrich is onto something when he casually tries to warn of what
these debates could turn into.That being an Opportunity for Dimocrats
and those in the Lamestream to paint with very broad brushes and
further demonize.It is very cavalierly easy to find fault and laugh at
ideas and policy that aren't currently in place.
Which is why Republicans need to take a page from the Democrat playbook
and use those devious Saul Alinsky tactics to paint the Democrat Party for
what they truly are.Incompetent boobs who fix nothing.They just create
problems and lay blame elsewhere.
Hold Obama and Reid and Pelosi personally responsible for the Economy and a now failed and more expensive Healthcare system.For Gas prices.
For fewer freedoms and more onerous regulations and burdens { Airport
pat downs} all down the line.

 

The medias job is to help us vet and hold politicians accountable.
Not just republicans or democrats running for president.
But for Congress..local school boards..township managers..
The media has failed us also.

 

I was disappointed the Huntsman boycotted the debate. Other than that Paul is looking strong but Romney has his regal appearance to thank for much of his success. Perry might as well drop out and save his donors their money. Gingrich has strung a few solid debates and can easily pull his Reagan card seemlessly as always. Cooper continued his liberal loving ways by setting up arguments and other nonsense.

 

I was extremely glad that Huntsman wasn't there. Considering that he is dead last, and is barely hanging on to the 2% support level necessary to be invited to these debates, I suspect that his next move will be to bow out. At least, I hope that is his next move.

 

If only publications had some adequate foresight. Watching him on stage is just awkward.

 

woeful list of candidates Obama has nothing to worry about.... Paul the only one with a brain so unelectable as a republican because he tells people what they don't want to hear...

 

I agree with all of the above. Romney was smooth and composed - which was part of my problem with him. Remember the last presidential election? The last guy who was smooth and composed? Yeah him. Ugh.

 

What is sad to me is that those "todays conservatives" think we (the US) have to save the world, all while talking about our own brokeness. How do people think we are going to save the world if we aren't focused on saving our selves. We are sitting here with a cut juggular and we want to fix the stubbed toe of Isreal, the broken leg of Iraq, the seperated shoulder of Iran, and the many splinters around the world. We must deal with the log in our eye before we worry about the spec in someone elses eye.

Soon the world wont have us as a police force cause we will be broke, and that is when our country is finished too.

 

Ok, if we are in Korea and Japan to protect them for their own good, why are we paying them to keep our base on their soil? I am sorry, but doing a favor for someone else doesn't involve me paying to do that favor.

Are we even stationed in Israel? I mean as a substantial force. To be honest, the Israeli military, especially their air force, is better trained than ours. They can take care of themselves cause they only worry about their land. Much easier to protect something when all your troops are within your boreders.

 

These are prosperous countries. Why should American taxpayers be forced to subsidize their (supposed) national defense? Why don't the Japanese taxpayers pay for a Japanese military base on American soil, so Washington can cut its defense budget?

Of course, the Japanese don't even want the Pentagon base over there, anymore then we'd want their "helpful" bases over here. So we give them something they don't want, and in exchange they give us nothing. What kind of harebrained scheme is this?

 

To NoPartyAffiliation: I did not watch the debate last night. I was surprised to learn that another question was also asked:

Anderson Cooper, at one point during Tuesday Night’s CNN Republican Presidential Debate, asked about the opinion of the candidates regarding how the 14th Amendment indicates that all babies born on U.S. Soil are citizens. Then, after Herman Cain and Rick Perry dodged the question, he began asking if the 14th Amendment regarding anchor babies should be repealed.

CNN Debate Fails On 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause
Douglas V. Gibbs Wednesday, October 19, 2011

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/41447

When I was young, I thought that anyone born under the American flag was automatically a US citizen even if the birth took place on a ship at sea flying the American flag. I don’t know where I got that idea, but I never gave it much thought. Illegal immigration was not a problem, and, like most Americans, I believed that the federal government would protect America’s borders. I’ve learned otherwise in recent years, as well as coming to a correct understanding of the 14th Amendment and the Eligibility Clause in the Constitution.

If you, or anyone else, can find a video of Cooper asking about anchor babies please post it. I know I would like to see it.

 

A couple of points about Japan and Korea.
You know we have a history there right ?
After WW2 Japan was not allowed to have much of any military force.
Korea..that conflict has never ended...
We have troops there for a reason.
Prosperity only means they are more of a target..Think NK and or China.

We could just end all military presence and fight our next war in Texas..Calif. and New York..do you really believe Mexico will fight to help prevent aggression on American soil ?
Who could they defeat..outside of FRANCE..which would be defeated first in any global conflict along with all of Europe and the middle east.
Paul seems to think we would blow the world up 20xs to prevent any acts of aggression...like who would be so stupid to attack us ?

Sorry Paul I dont want to find out..GO AWAY.
And take your populist BS about ending every department in the government without explaining what would replace them. Only sheep would listen to THAT SLICK..smooth TALK.

Paul is inviting any enemies..( and we have them ) to attack either us..or our friends to test America's resolve.Complete opposite of the Reagan policy and much more OBAMA like.

So..where is the Perry job plan...all his rich donors in Texas must have come up with something by now.Since 90% of his MONEY is from Texas..do a little search..

 

There was NO Vetting,not even the tiniest bit for Obama.
The Dems and rat face campaign man David Axelrod deemed everything
off limits.From Obama's middle name { Hussein } to even what religion
he may have been or studied as a kid.
YouTube had Obama nailed to rights with his Mentor and Pastor {Rev.Wright}
own actions inside a church,hopping around ranting like a Loon.
Yet all it took was Obama to Deny he never heard anything untoward
from his Pastor in all the 20 years of sitting in the Trinity United Church.
Bill Ayers was off limits.As was Tony Rezko.As were any questions about
his schooling.Especially Columbia,where not one student came forward to
admit knowing Obama had attended University.
Obama plead that he wasn't a Liberal and therefore even the word " Liberal "
was deemed off limits as rat face Axelrod painted Obama as some moderate
when Obama's voting record in the Illinois State Senate and subsequent
Senator was 2nd only to Bernie Sanders in liberal voting persuation.

 

Yes, we have a history in both those countries, but that doesn't mean that we should stay there. There's no reason we need to be in Japan at all. I believe the only reason we still are is out of guilt for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

As for Korea, that was ended in a stalemate 60 years ago. There's absolutely no reason we need to be there either. The North Koreans couldn't wage another war if they wanted to. They don't have the bucks to do it, and if they used their one or two nukes on the South, they'd blow themselves up in the process. I don't think anyone in the North Korean government is dumb enough to do that.

We also don't need to be in Germany. East Germany doesn't exist anymore, and neither does the USSR. There's no reason to spend our money there. Far as I can see, the only reason we ARE there is to maintain Rheinmain AB, which is used as a refueling stop for military aircraft going from the U.S. to other parts of the world, such as Libya (another place we shouldn't be, but that's another topic), Iraq, and Afghanistan.

I also agree that Israel can take care of themselves. They have one of the best armies in the world. They're well-trained and don't hesitate to do what they need to do to defend themselves either.

 

Yes, I know, I have been. So, instead of holding Japan back, allow them to build their military to their liking. If S Korea really needs us there to defend them, how about they stop charging us rent for occupying their base for support.

It would be a hell of a lot cheaper. Do you really think someone would really be dumb enough to invade the country that has more guns than people?

Maybe the socialist p/c hippies will realize how stupid it is to allow all cultures to intermingle with the base culture.

Paul think who would want to harm their strongest ally in which most, if not all trade is conducted with.

What should replace the DOE? What should replace something we don't need? Do you ask the Dr what will replace the tumor eating away at your leg? Sheep aren't listening cause the masses (sheep who don't go against the status quo) still act like Paul is "crazy".

Not at all. He is showing the enemies that we created that we are done attacking them. Throughout the 90s, we dropped bombs on the middle east, gee, I wonder why they would want to attack us.

 

Well, not really a stalemate, just a cease fire.

Psssst...Rein Mien close a few years ago.

 

Romney is closer to being a democrat than Obummer is, but still doesn't realize it yet himself.
　
　
Perry is all about attacking Romney, which proves he doesn't want to actually get into the actual meat of any real issues. I swear the only reason he is still governor of Texas is because of the gerrymandering districts and voter fraud that is the republican party in Texas. The poster child for what is wrong with the republican party.
　
　
Newt is a neo-con artist. Probably the furthest thing away from being a true conservative as republicans could find.
　
　
Paul is a true conservative, and the reason why he is completely unelectable by the republican party.
　
　
Bachmann is a republican, a loony dingbat, but a die hard, steal from the government to enhance my own situation republican, she will probably be the VP running mate for which ever one of these loons get nominated.
　
　
Cain is a corporate insider, the banking industries sock puppet, just what this country doesn't need.
　
The rest for whatever reason are also reasonably dedicated out of the main stream conservatives, not yet beholding to the republican party or brain washed into doing their bidding like a neo-con artist like Newt will, and again exactly why they will not get the nod from the never was, never will be, non-conservative republican party.

 

Good tink yer appraisal ain't StarkNaked ... huh.?

 

I found the video. Move the curser to 46:22 for the question about the 14th Amendment:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ideo_cnns_republican_debate_in_las_vegas.html

 

Not one supported Deportation (Even on a limited scale)

 

The pile of Kenyan excrement is going to lose in a landslide....to whomever gets the GOP nomination. This Republican Primary might as well be the General election.
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I just calls em as I sees em. As someone who doesn’t find myself propagandized by either party, it is a fair assessment.
　
　
So do you agree with my stark appraisal?