Video shows Charlottesville driver's car being hit with a bat.

Thanks for the map.

So are you saying there was police diverting traffic down 4th Street? Or was it cones/barriers?

How does that jive with the eyewitness accounts of him standing at a green light? Would that have been at Market & 4th? I'm assuming from the map the collision was at 4th & Water Street?

 

I really feel for blacks who are feeling that they could be sons of Obama, as Obama declared.

Who will now support them shooting cops?

Who will now support them banging heads of community guards at concrete blocks?

And getting free lodging, food, phones and medical care in exchange for doing that.

And for shooting each other.

Hey bro, I have a suggestion.

Screw whites, yellow, reds and others.

And survive and live on your own.

Can you show me black power, bro?

I would love to see black power, but can you at least survive?

 

Your posts make no sense at all.

 

I would thank you for accepting your defeat if I was fighting against you and not for you.

I lost my fight.

But I still hope you will win yours.

 

The OP suggests cops diverted traffic down 4th. I dont know that this is a fact. If so, it would presumably be due to heavy foot traffic on market.

There are lots of inaccurate eye witness accounts. There are videos insisting he was doing 80mph. Some say he hits the crowd, backs up and rams them again. It is entirely possible he was already on the 4th st access, stopped because of pedestrians, and perhaps something happened then. From down the mall side they would see a green light, and a stopped car... it is all conjecture, and I am not saying anything prior to video did, or did not happen... but once on fourth, you are unable to get off. There is no room to turn around, and there are short metal barriers on both sides.

Market, approaching 4th

Beginning of 4th


This is about where all video to date starts
Crash vid screengrab

 

All other streets end at the mall w barriers.

 

From the Google images, it is clear there are parking spots to the right. He could have had the opportunity to stop and back up safely-- but he didn't do that as evidenced from his quick retreat after impact. Even if we were to assume he was hit by a bat as the OP states, why would that individual have done that? Did that same or another individual with a bat do so to the other two cars in front?

Why would they single him out for anything other than the excessive rate of speed he was heading towards the crowd?

It was only after the fact that we found he was involved with the White Supremacists. ALL OF HIS actions prior to entering the crowded intersection were under his control. That's what I get from the videos. Maybe there's more, and certainly I am sure there will be forensics to gauge the exact speed he hit the crowd.

Judging this to be an "accident" at this point is difficult considering his active participation and the missed opportunities to avoid endangering the public.

IMO, this entire thread is attempting a very weak defense for Field's action. The video of him backing out, posted earlier in this thread, clearly shows no hesitation and in lieu of any other evidence, will be the most damning.

 

I have no clue what "fight" you think I'm fighting. Be clear what you mean, otherwise move on.

 

Well... as I showed, the antifa were rabid toward anyone they thought might be with the supremicists... he was clean cut, wearing a white shirt. It is entirely possible a group began harrassing him long before he got to the mall. And no, it is not possible to safely execute a 12 point k turn and head back the wrong way down a one way street in a violent crowd of people. Forward would be your only escape.

Now... back to my hypothetical. You have been directed down 4th street, and a violent group of kkk/neonazis begin assaulting your car. What is your solution? The K turn and wrong way thing? Trust me, not on that street.

 

There is NO EXCUSE for running over people! Sorry...I just don't buy it given the evidence of what we are able to see. And if you are asking what I would do, I would not run over people. If the crowd was that vicious, they would have to drag me out. Why didn't they do that to the occupants of the other two cars in front of him?

This is a forced narrative that I find hard to swallow.

Surely, there must be more surveillance cameras pointed on that street, no?

 

Sorry, but there's plenty of room to turn around here.

 

Some are not willing to be dragged out of their cars and beaten.

The cars ahead were driven by black women. Chances are low that they are alt right white supremacists.

So your answer is that he should have simply taken the beating and perhaps murder. Neat. Most would not.

You cannot turn around there, esp if surrounded by that crowd and your unwillingness to defend your life with your vehicle as a deterrent/weapon.

Again, many would do differently.

And again, the velocity he chose was reckless endangerment, and he needs to be punished accordingly as many were injured and a girl died. A girl I knew. I promise I am not making excuses for him. I just dont like people measuring rope and lighting torches because the defendant is a worthless schizophrenic neonazi.

 

Given the bizarre scenario you are trying to construct you are ignoring the obvious. There was nothing stopping the killer from sounding his horn to warn the people ahead of him or use his cell phone to call the police. There was nothing stopping him from turning into the alley that connected to 5th street or even onto the pedestrian mall as a way to evade the crowd.

In other words he had plenty of other viable options to "escape the crowd" and he used none of them.

 

You dont understand the ci

There are no alleys connecting any streets. All streets are barricaided except 2nd and 4th, and all that connects them is the pedestrian mall, which is filled with outdoor restaurant areas etc.

I believe he was willing to hit people who had been violent all day, and were attacking him. This seemed to be revengy... and criminal, as I have said several times. However, if he were trying to kill people, I imagine he would have slammed into the soft crowds on either side, and not the parked cars. I think he was willing to hurt the violent mob, but was not aiming to kill people. Again, criminal wreckless endangerment, and involuntary manslaughter...

But trying to call police while being attacked is not logical. Trying to push through the stopped cars might have seemed like a good exit. Dunno. Maybe none of it can be rationalized. Time will tell. However, if he was trying to murder people, you would think he would hit the people, not the cars is all. Looked like a scared angry kid, who made a criminal decision.

 

I totally agree. The public does not have the details, nor does anyone outside of LE or the courts.

He was only formally charged today. What if he winds up pleading guilty? That can happen too.

 

It definitely looks like it may have been a rash decision on his part.

Let me ask you, since you are from the area, is there even a remote possibility of you being called in on a jury panel for this case?

 

Someone trying to escape does not head into the most crowded location going past empty side streets and his view of the road ahead was unobstructed except for the obvious crowd gathered on the intersection that he crashed at.

 

Given that he did not know the area he would not have known that the roads leading to the mall had barriers since in your photos the barriers are at the mall end, not at the start of the side street. If I was trying to escape from a crowd and saw ahead of me a large group of people I would not drive towards them, I would drive onto a quieter road and hope that it leads to a less crowded area. I would not see the barriers until I had turned onto that road. Also there aren't any barriers stopping him driving onto the mall off 4th street so if it was me trying to escape fearing my life I would have driven onto the mall instead of driving into the crowd

As for attempting to ram into the cars, his view of the cars would have been obstructed by the many people on the road so it is clear that he knew that he would run over people given the speed he was going. Second degree murder conviction IMO as defined under "a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life". . Manslaughter means no intention to seriously harm and that is clearly not the case here

 

Think i would be disqualified as I was there counterprotesting.

 

Go ask a Physics Professor.

She was violating the law by being in the street. The bottom line is the defendant will say he was in fear of his life when the two men blocked his path of escape from a bat wielding attacker. The three of them were the proximate cause of the accident in conjunction people illegally impeding traffic. If someone swerves into your lane on the highway and you swerve to avoid them crashing into another car and that person dies is it your fault?

Again, 3 foot long flag poles aren't 2" to 3" in diameter. Just because you tie a flag on it doesn't make it a flag pole. Don't worry that'll come out in court.

Look at the photos......



Plenty of room on both sides to simply continue on running over people if that's what he meant to do.

All three were the proximate cause.

 

I keep trying to explain, once on 4th, there are no options but to go forward. I believe he stopped, as he figured that out. IF something occured there, and granted thats a big if, his poor decision makes at least some sense.

There wasnt a sea of people between him and the car ahead. The people were in a horseshoe around the front of the two cars... with a random person or two crossing between. Most of the 19 people injured were those who swarmed his car immediately after impact whenvhe reversed through them.

 

The two photos in this link showing the flag bearer shows that there were many people between him and the car ahead:
http://www.pacificpressagency.com/galleries/22773/us-unite-the-right-rally

 

You are right. From the videos I thought that they were a trick of perspective, that and the fact that nobody seemed to be hit head on... but on further review, yes there were a lot of folks that had to dive... and several struck.

Still, a lot more damage would have been done if he hit the crowds on either side than the car, imo. Regardless his actions, we all agree, were criminal.

 

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If he had gone onto either side he would have hit one or more of the many sign posts, lamp posts and bollards as can be seen were there in the photos. Please could you tell me if the crash happened at the junction of 4th street and water street and I presume he was heading southwards on 4th street judging by shadows?