Vladimir Putin says Trump was impeached for 'made-up reasons'

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  1. Esperance

    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean the president who allowed Koch Glitsch to backdoor gas pipeline transfer technology used on Putin's new Crimean pipeline?

    Putin knew that Obama was leaving office... No further protection was required. Putin got what he wanted in early 2015.
     
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    Putin doesn't care which party wins. He wants the winner to be the biggest "pushover" for Russian interests. In 2016, he saw Clinton as a threat and thought he could get his way with Trump by stroking his ego. That turned out not to be true with Trump slamming Russia with sanctions. In 2020, looking at the field of Democrat candidates, Putin will prefer any of them over Trump. (So will China, the bigger threat.) Russia has tried to interfere in our politics for over a hundred years....but how many American voters are actually swayed by Russia?....miniscule. If Putin just wants chaos and division, Pelosi and the Dems just delivered a big heaping plate full.
     
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    Putin didn’t say anything but the obvious.
    There is no crime & there will be no punishment when it all plays out.

    Just a Democratic Disney fairy tail with a Stephen King ending for the Dems
     
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    There you go minimizing Russia's efforts. It's a common response I see from trumpers. If Russia's active measures were not effective, why would they be engaged in them at all? They would have nothing to gain but a lot to lose if that were the case.

    They were and still are pushing fake news (disinformation) to us through social media and through the likes of Breitbart and OAN. The ads they bought in 2015-16 are but one small part of their overall efforts to influence the election against Hillary Clinton and in Trump's favor, and influencing that election was but one part of their overall goals to influence the thinking of Americans and tear this country apart from the inside by stirring up radical elements and getting as many of us as they can to hate one another and to question what is real, up to and including total distrust of the news media that reports the truth about Donald Trump and about Russia. Russia will have a much easier time influencing people who refuse to acknowledge that Russia is attempting to influence them in the first place.

    As for who changed their votes, it doesn't particularly matter whether it was Democrats, Republicans or independents who did not vote or who voted for someone else based on those extensive efforts to harm Hillary Clinton and boost Donald Trump. What matters, in the end, is that they had an impact on how Americans voted. They made a real, material difference just by investing in these online "active measures," and they are continuing to get results now thanks also to Donald Trump picking up and repeating their disinformation while calling their interference on his behalf a hoax, and calling investigations into those efforts a witch hunt. Obviously we don't want our politicians and candidates relying on foreign assistance to win elections, because then we are not electing our own leaders anymore, but having our elections decided in part by foreign interests. Trump was elected with Russian assistance in order to benefit Russia, and Russia certainly is benefiting each and every day for having done this.

    Also, on the matter of collusion, I'd just like to point out that Trump's campaign manager shared polling data with Russian intelligence assets during the campaign. I call that collusion, because he was helping the Russians to target their efforts to harm Hillary Clinton and help Trump, the guy whose campaign he was managing..
     
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    Actually, he does get his way by stroking Trump's ego. Trump isn't imposing sanctions on Russia. Democrats and Republicans are doing so, but it is not Trump's desire. Trump was seeking to have sanctions lifted, and Trump has been calling for Russia to be readmitted to the G7.

    No, Putin will not prefer any Democrat over Trump. Any Democrat would quite obviously be more like Hillary Clinton to him and his interests than Trump is.

    As for how many American voters are swayed by Russia, you have no basis to claim the number is minuscule. However, this is a very difficult thing to determine either way.
     
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    Yes, he does... and he said so...

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/putin-trump-win-election-2016-722486

    How quickly we forget...
     
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    Vlad the bad hanging tough with his butt buddy Dirty Donald!!!Birds of a feather flock together!!!
     
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    If Russia was helping Trump then why did they aid Hillary Clinton and the DNC by writing a fake dossier to hurt Trump, his campaign and his Administration?

    Obama was doing exactly what Putin wanted. Obama was weak, removing the missile shield and allowing Putin to take over parts of Ukraine as Obama sent Ukraine blankets and MRE's. No weapons to defend themselves.

    If Ukraine was so important, why was Joe Biden extorting them financially while allowing Putin to exert his control over the region?
     
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    Well, there haven't been any so far with three of them.
     
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    Putin is playing you like a fiddle. He wants to divide American and he is doing a good job with the democrats.
     
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    As I recall, Crimea was annexed by Russia during the previous administration.
     
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    Feb. 2014. I think it was right after that, that Joe Biden started extorting Ukraine:

    According to payment records reviewed by Reuters that two former Ukrainian law enforcement officials say are Burisma’s, the company paid about $3.4 million to a company that was controlled by Archer called Rosemont Seneca Bohai LLC between April 2014 and November 2015.

    Specifically, the records show 18 months in which two payments of $83,333 per month were paid to Rosemont Seneca Bohai for “consulting services.” The two sources said that one of those monthly payments was intended for Biden and one for Archer. Reuters was not able to independently verify the authenticity of the documents or how much money Hunter Biden received.

    Coincidence? I don't think so.
     
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    Or set the democrats off again to divide the nation. Funny how they are doing Putin's bidding.
     
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    I read the call transcripts and listened to all the "witnesses " talk about their assumptions and presumptions. I've heard the charges change with the focus groups. No abuse of power. No aid withheld. Better aid sent as a matter a fact.

    Trump is one of our best presidents ever in office and some people hate him....so bad. That's the truth of it.
     
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    I don’t think I’ve ever looked at either of those websites, but I’m sure you love msnbc and cnn.
     
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    Seriously? *sigh*. The IG report, Mueller investigation, FBI investigation all outruled collusion. And at this point given known fabricated evidence and lying, we have to ask if the Russians really did hack. I still haven't seen an independent verification of that and neither has anybody.

    A DOJ worker on one of the cases claimed that if so requested by a judge, they could prove it conclusively in a non-classified setting. Well, I recommend that they do so.
     
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    If Putin has dirt on Democrats that he dumps it all over the internet, but leave Trump out of it.

    I hearby invite the Russians to dump any dirt they have on Democrats.. it's not illegal or unethical for me to ask or for them to do it..
     
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    That's a lot of wording to say "Well, uh, but." In reality, there was no collusion or coordination between Americans. Again, from the horse's mouth of Rod Rosenstein: "No American has been charged in a proceeding with these crimes." Period, end of story

    Hillary Clinton didn't lose based on ads seen by a few thousand Americans and barely 1 million USD spent. That's the excuse she'd love to make, but that's not reality.

    As a veteran poster often pointed out at the time: Trump outcampaigned HIllary massively in the swing states in the deciding days leading up to the election. That's what sealed his victory. Russia only benefits from the continued disruptive efforts of the Democratic Party to undo the 2016 elections, threaten to interfere with the 2020 elections by attempting to take the Republican nominee President Trump off the ballot.
     
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    The chinese government is running articles on why our form of government is bad and wrong and why their form is better. Its partisan jobs like this that gove other countries power and if the majority of Americans would just get behind the concept that trump is pur president and just get past these 4 years with him (down to just 1 now) and put the interest of the us population more into consideration then maybe, just maybe, we become united again.

    The majority of liberals were picked last in dodgeball got out first and are now retaliating because orange man bad!

    Nixon, Reagan, H. W. Bush, W. Bush, and now Trump have all had attempted impeachment. 1 democrat since Truman.

    Both parties are constantly pushing this country apart but 1 party is veers further and further from our founding fathers ideas everyday. Truly sickening.
     
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    Actually it says a lot about Trump and the Democrats.
    It says that Putin thinks the Democrats are a threat to him, and that Trump is at least a useful idiot for him, and possibly someone over whom he has more direct influence in one way or another.
     
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    WTF? Putin's latest support of Trump destroys any suggestion that he actually favors Dems.
     
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    Read it a little more carefully, it's an accusation I'm making of Democrats to undo the 2016 elections, interfere in the 2020 elections.
     
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    Oh for Pete's sake.

    That well isn't just dry, it's filled in with old tires and houshold garbage.

    Why in the heck would anyone go back ro pushing the RUSSIA! hoax? Is there really nothing better to do?
     
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