"War on Terror" becomes "War on Iran" (for Israel)

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  1. Grau

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    John Bolton just admitted what most of us have already known for some time.
    Americans stationed in the Mid East are not there to "fight terrorism" but to ensure Israel's regional hegemony by fighting Iran for Israel.

    Sending Americans to the Mid East has never really been about about "fighting terrorism" but primarily enabling Israel to maintain regional hegemony & fighting wars that benefit only Israel.

    Don't expect America's young men & women in uniform to come home as long as Israeli lobbies and war mongering Ziono-Cons continue to run US Foreign policy.

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003


    "The White House has revealed massive mission creep in Syria. Here’s why."
    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...led-massive-mission-creep-in-syria-heres-why/
    EXCERPT "But recently the White House has begun to reveal a massive new mission on the horizon for U.S. troops in the Middle East: containing Iran.

    National security adviser John Bolton on Monday said countering Iran’s influence in Syria and elsewhere is a major goal of the U.S. military mission in the Middle East.

    “We’re not going to leave as long as Iranian troops are outside Iranian borders, and that includes Iranian proxies and militias,” Bolton said, signaling a fundamental shift from the current counter-terrorism operations to a mission focused more on geopolitical maneuvering and proxy warfare." CONTINUED

     
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    Even though your OP-linked article is very long, I took time to read it all, and guess what?

    Not a single time, not once the Israel (or Jews, or AIPAC, or Ziono-Cons) are mentioned in the OP. They're all in your commentaries, but not in OP.

    Your agenda here to blame everything bad in the world on Israel is quite transparent. As is in your other posts :juggle:

     
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    Yep. Those boys need to be brought home immediately so warmongering idiots like Bolton can't get americans killed over a petty Abrahamic religious war.
     
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  4. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's no secret that Israel's Right Wing Netanyahu regime wants the US to fight Iran so that Israel can more easily operate in Syria & S. Lebanon without being routed by Hezbollah as in in 2006.



    "Israel is pushing the US into war against Iran"
    http://between-the-lines-ludwig-wat...03/israel-is-pushing-us-into-war-against.html

    EXCERPT "Not even President Trump should be so stupid to do the fighting for the Zionist regime. So far, the US Empire has failed across the Middle East. To listen to people such as Netanyahu, Liberman, Mohammed bin-Salman from Saudi Arabia, or military strongman Abd al Fattah as-Sisi from Egypt, the US can only lose. Instead of talking to rational actors such as Vladimir Putin, Bashar al-Assad, or the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Hassan Rohani, Trump associates with political hotheads such as Netanyahu and his ilk."CONTINUED
     
  5. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In other words, you can't refute what I have accurately concluded.

    For whose interests do you think Netanyahu's puppet, Trump(1), Bolton & Kushner are working if not Netanyahu's and that of the Israeli Right Wing, Zionist lobbies who drive US Foreign policy?

    Even the most casual observer of Mid East realities knows that Trump, Bolton & Kushner are more interested in serving to further the machinations of AIPAC & "the 52" than serving America's best interests.

    Any loyal American would be chilled & repulsed at Bolton's proposal that America's sons & daughters in uniform continue to die in the volatile Mid East indefinitely or until Israel is able to dominate the entire region without Iran serving as a check to Israel's regional hegemony.

    My "agenda", as you call it, is to support an even handed US Mid East Policy without the sacrificing MORE American lives & additional $ Trillions for Israel's Right Wing expansionists.
    In other words, I support what is in the genuine best interests of America & its military while you seem content for Americans to continue to die as long as they are serving the regional ambitions of Israel's Right Wing extremists.

    You should know by now that I do not condemn all of Israel or all Israelis as many are creative, ethical & peace seeking individuals who have effectively been sidelined because of the US Government's unconditional support of Israel's Right Wing war mongers, ethnic cleansers & expansionists.




    (1) "How Netanyahu Pulls Trump’s Strings"
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/15/how-netanyahu-pulls-trumps-strings/

    EXCERPTS "Since Sept. 18, when the two men met in New York around the United Nations General Assembly, Netanyahu has been pulling Trump’s strings on almost every foreign policy issue.

    Trump further showed that he is following Netanyahu’s marching orders with the extremist speech about Iran on Friday, essentially repeating all the Israeli propaganda lines against Iran and burning whatever bridges remained toward a meaningful diplomatic approach.

    Although dressing up his capitulation to Netanyahu in tough-guy phrasing, Trump is doing what most U.S. politicians do – they grovel before Bibi Netanyahu.

    And, if you have any doubts about that reality, you can watch how often both Republicans and Democrats jump to their feet whenNetanyahu addresses a joint session of Congress, an honor that he has received three times, tying him with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.

    Those moments of American humiliation – as almost all 535 members of Congress act like puppets on invisible strings – represent the actual subservience of the U.S. government to a foreign power. And that power is not Russia."CONTINUED
     
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    Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism.

    I’m for anything we can do to harm them.
     
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    Was not my intention to refute your "accurate" conclusion; just pointing out your hypocrisy in "concluding" that Israel is the mother of all evil and liking OP which says not a word about Israel :)
     
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    One would think that a war on terror would include a war on the main sponsor of terrorism.
     
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    No country engages in more terrorism than the US. We are the greatest threat to world peace than all of the other countries combined.
     
  10. Grau

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    As you must have heard: "One man's "Terrorist" is another man's "Freedom Fighter".

    The tiresome & deceptive mantra that "Iran is the main sponsor of terrorism" is as hypocritical as it is fraudulent because every major regional player supports different terrorist groups according to their agenda.

    Iran supports Hezbollah which fights the US & Israeli sponsor terrorist groups ISIS, al Qaeda, al Nusra etc(1), (2), (3).

    A significant difference is that about half of Hezbollah's budget is spent on Social Services & humanitarian(4) aid especially in rebuilding the civilian homes & infrastructure repeatedly targeted & destroyed from Israel relentless military forays into S. Lebanon.
    Hezbollah's Social Services & humanitarian aid is responsible for its widespread support especially in S. Lebanon.
    What sort of Social Services do you think that the US - Israeli supported ISIS, al Qaeda etc provide?

    Does in not seem odd to you that Iran's Hezbollah is fighting the same al Qaeda that is blamed for 9/11 while Israel & the US support terrorist groups they claim are behind 9/11?




    (1) "ISIS is a US-Israeli creation"
    http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/top-10-proofs-isis-us-israeli-creation/


    (2) "Israeli Defense Minister Confirms Israel Backing Of ISIS in Syria"
    https://geopolitics.co/2017/04/27/israeli-defense-minister-confirms-israel-backing-of-isis-in-syria/


    EXCERPT "Washington created and supports ISIS, along with other anti-government terrorists in Syria and elsewhere. NATO, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other regional rogue states supply them with weapons and other material support.

    So does Israel. In June 2015, the Times of Israel quoted former Israeli defense minister Moshe Ya’alon, saying

    “(W)e’ve assisted (anti-government terrorist groups in Syria on) two conditions. That they don’t get too close to (Israel’s) border, and…don’t touch the Druze.”CONTINUED


    (3) "Israel acknowledges it is helping Syrian rebel fighters"
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-syrian-rebels-keeping-druze-safe-in-exchange-for-israeli-aid/


    EXCERPT "Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said Monday that Israel has been providing aid to Syrian rebels, thus keeping the Druze in Syria out of immediate danger. Israeli officials have previously balked at confirming on the record that the country has been helping forces that are fighting to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad."CONTINUED


    (4) "Hezbollah"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

    EXCERPT "According to CNN, "Hezbollah did everything that a government should do, from collecting the garbage to running hospitals and repairing schools."[143] In July 2006, during the war with Israel, when there was no running water in Beirut, Hezbollah was arranging supplies around the city. Lebanese Shiites "see Hezbollah as a political movement and a social service provider as much as it is a militia."[143] Hezbollah also rewards its guerilla members who have been wounded in battle by taking them to Hezbollah-run amusement parks.[144]

    Hezbollah is, therefore, deeply embedded in the Lebanese society."CONTINUED
     
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    Iran. What a great example of freedom!
     
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    Yea, usually when someone defends terrorists and their operations including the events on 9/11. Then I hear it all the time.
     
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    "WE?"


    Re:
    Who is "we"?

    You really mean that you want someone else to die fighting another war for Israel(1), the country to which you are apparently most loyal.

    Let us know when "we" are ready to grab a rifle and go die for Israel.

    Loyal Americans who have already served in America's military do not want to waste another, single, American life because of Right Wing Israeli regional hegemony.

    America's precious young men & women in uniform are more badly needed at home securing America's borders, not dying for America's "Israel First" chicken hawks.




    (1) “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003
     
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    I think the U.S. should do what it can to stop Iranian terrorism.

    Is that simple enough for you to understand?
     
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    Riiiiiiigggghhht ...
     
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    LOL You don't even know who is fighting whom!

    It is Iran's Hezbollah(1) that is fighting the same al Qaeda that is alleged to have carried out 9/11.

    Now, please explain why the US is unconditionally supporting Israel when it is Israel that supports the same al Qaeda(2) that allegedly carried out 9/11.


    (1) "HEZBOLLAH VS. AL-QAEDA: IRAN-BACKED MILITIA SAYS AL-NUSRA FRONT HAS LOST SHOWDOWN IN LEBANON"
    https://www.newsweek.com/hezbollah-...d-militia-says-al-nusra-front-has-lost-642838


    (2) "Here’s How the US, Israel, al-Qaeda and ISIS Work Together in Syria"
    https://www.mondialisation.ca/heres...qaeda-and-isis-work-together-in-syria/5547155

    EXCERPT "By attacking the Syrian Army in Al-Quneitra Jabhat Al-Nusra – Al-Qaeda’s local franchise – is helping Israel. Al-Nusra and Al-Qaeda fighters are attacking Syrian military positions important for the defence of Syria and of the Arab nation from Israeli aggression.

    These Al-Nusra and Al-Qaeda attacks would not be possible without air support from Israel. Indeed, Israel has admitted many times that it supports these terrorists, whom it calls “moderate rebels”.CONTINUED
     
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    You should know that Iran was democratic under Mossedegh until the CIA overthrew its government & installed a ruthless puppet dictator, Shah Reza Pahlavi, whose Mossad & CIA trained ruthless SAVAK(1) ruled Iran until his deposition in 1979.

    Even under the mullahs, President Rouhani repeatedly reached out(2) to the US in an attempt to improve relations between the two countries but Right Wing Israeli lobbies that drive US Foreign policy prohibited any reciprocal US response.

    During the Obama administration, Iran's mullahs began to lose power as the more moderate Rouhani's reformist government began to move Iran to a friendlier footing with the West & closer to a free society.

    Regrettably, the Netanyahu controlled Trump(3) screwed up improved relations with Iran & increasing freedoms with his moronic & counterproductive, AIPAC supported(4) sanctions that only strengthen the mullahs, punish everyday Iranians alienate our true allies & cost US businesses $ Billions(5).

    Speaking of "Freedom", one of these days, Americans may even have freedom from the Israeli lobbies who cost America so much in blood, lost alliances and resources.



    (1) "It Was Israel’s Mossad Which Tutored SAVAK In Torture, According To CIA Officials"
    https://iranian.com/2018/05/01/israels-mossad-tutored-savak-torture-according-cia-officials/

    EXCERPT "It was Israel’s Mossad which tutored SAVAK in torture, according to CIA officials. Proving that Israel’s global terrorist network has cast a long shadow over the region and indeed several parts of the world."CONTINUED


    (2) "Iran's President Rouhani Won't Stop Reaching Out to the American People"
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...ont-stop-reaching-out-american-people/310856/



    (3) "How Netanyahu Pulls Trump’s Strings"
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/15/how-netanyahu-pulls-trumps-strings/


    (4) "Senate passes Israel lobby bill to impose new sanctions on Iran"
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/senate-passes-bill-impose-new-sanctions-iran/



    (5) "Sanctions on Iran Could Cost U.S., European Companies Billions"

    https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/05/09/sanctions-iran-cost-u-s-european-companies-billions/
     
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    Not just Israel, but Saudi Arabia and other allies who oppose Iran. In fact, there are many actors in the region to consider. Russia is also in there, playing the same game, backing certain regimes in order to secure power and influence for themselves.
     
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    There is no power to provide for the common offense.

    We really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States, and industrial automation to help with social costs.
     
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    Yes, I'm aware that there are additional parties & related conflicts in the area with various agendas but mainly wanted to illustrate how insidiously what was billed & sold as a "War on Terror" has quietly morphed into a war on Iran due to the machinations of Right Wing, pro War Israeli lobbies, Netanyahu's puppet, Trump, the Zionist chicken hawk, Bolton & related war mongering Ziono-Cons.

    Briefly put, Americans thought that they bought a "War on Terror" as a result of 9/11. What they actually got was an endless series of wars that primarily benefit Israel's Right Wing expansionists who seek regional hegemony.

    Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but because it scared Israel, AIPAC & "the 52" orchestrated & got a full blown attack on that country(1) costing America thousands of lives & $ Trillions in resources.

    Syria was next on Israel's hit list however the multinational regime changed failed due to Iran & Russia's intervention.
    It is noteworthy that the US supported the same "terrorist" element (al Qaeda) against the former Soviets in Afghanistan just as Israel & the US supported the same al Qaeda, ISIS etc against Syria's government.

    So much for America's "War on Terror"

    Now, John Bolton has stated that America's "War on Terror" is essentially a war on Hezbollah which not only had nothing to do with 9/11 but is fighting al Qaeda who is allegedly responsible for 9/11.

    In reality, the US is only wasting blood & $ Trillions in the region to enable the expansionist agenda of Israel's Right Wing extremists to the point that Americans are stationed in Israel to defend(2) and die for Israel(3).
    American G.I.s are even to be put under Israeli command in the event of hostilities Israel has repeatedly demonstrated an eager willingness to initiate & is more likely to do so with Americans as their "Human Shields".(4)

    The misuse of America's young men & women in uniform as Netanyahu's pro bono mercenaries as well as the morphing of America's "War on Terror" to endless wars for Israel should repulse any loyal American whether they have served in the US military or not.

    Thanks



    (1) “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003


    (2) "AMERICAN TROOPS HERE TO DEFEND ISRAEL"
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5151907,00.html


    (3) "US Commander: ‘US Troops Prepared to Die for Israel’ in War against Syria, Hezbollah"
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/israe...a-harbinger-of-war-on-syria-hezbollah/238768/

    EXCERPT "In addition, Israel has been laying the groundwork for an invasion of Syria since last year and is largely responsible for the current conflict in Syria that has raged on for seven years. Israel’s current push to invade Syria is also based on flimsy evidence suggesting that Iran is establishing bases in Syria to target Israel.

    Israel has also been preparing for a conflict on the embattled Gaza strip, which – owing to the effects of Israel’s illegal blockade and the devastation wrought by past wars – is set to be entirely uninhabitable by 2020.

    Beyond the fact that Israel is preparing to go to war with several countries simultaneously is the fact that U.S. ground troops are now “prepared to die for the Jewish state,” according to U.S. Third Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Richard Clark.

    However, more troubling than the fact that U.S. troops stand ready to die at Israel’s behest was Clark’s assertion that Haimovitch would “probably” have the last word as to whether U.S. forces would join the IDF during war time. In other words, the IDF will decide whether or not U.S. troops become embroiled in the regional war for which Israel is preparing, not the United States.

    Indeed, Haimovitch buoyed Clark’s words, stating that: “I am sure once the order comes we will find here U.S. troops on the ground to be part of our deployment and team to defend the state of Israel.”CONTINUED


    (4) "AMERICAN TROOPS BECOME IDF'S HUMAN SHIELDS"
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-troops-become-idfs-human-shields.540644/
     
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    The U.S. is conducting war on radical Islam. If there is collateral damage, that's too bad. Maybe those countries need to get their act together and police themselves.
     

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