War!

Discussion in 'Warfare / Military' started by danboy9787, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. IgnoranceisBliss

    IgnoranceisBliss Well-Known Member

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    China and Russia most certainly would not. That would be an act of war and would at the least bring on an economic embargo if not outright military strikes against Russian/Chinese ships carrying the weapons.
     
  2. bacardi

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    if the US provocates a war then why shouldn't they? The USA needs to stop this dominating the world nonsence....a bankrupt country can only provoke so much ya know :)
     
  3. dudeman

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    Could start selling IGTBY (I’m going to bomb you) bonds instead of Treasury bonds. Kind of like ABC (already been chewed) gum or ABS (already been smoked) cigarette sales from 13 year olds to 11 year olds. The world did buy into credit default swaps, why not IGTBY bonds?
     
  4. RevAnarchist

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    I agree with your golden egg analogy for now DDT (ha ha DDT...ahhh...ummm)~

    However, I try to understand a nation partly by the cultural psychology of the leaders of nations and the mind of the people. The Chinese as well as most eastern people historically focus on long term goals. Europeans and the West are so impatient they yell 'hurry up !!!' while standing in front of their microwave. In Nam we never lost a major or any smaller ones I can think of, battle but lost the war due to the impatience of the American people and the limp wrist presidents. The power of patience and the make up of the eastern mind trumped a much more impatient and far more powerful western foe. I think the Chinese have a long range anti American plan which is to be the only, or dominant superpower in the future. It may take them a hundred or a thousand years, but I feel if nothing changes they will prevail.

    RevA
     
  5. Mushroom

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    Provide arms? No. Sell arms? Maybe.

    That is not the question though. In a war against Iran, do you think that it would last long enough to do any good at all?

    They could have sold arms to Libya, did they? Would it have mattered? The war did not last long enough for any arms shipments to get there.

    And look at Iraq. Before a shipment could even have been assembled, the war was essentially over, and the government had fallen.

    You are working under several huge mistakes here.

    One, that the US would just attack Iran.

    Two, that the Iranian Government would last more then a couple of weeks if the US did decide to invade.

    Three, that they would agree to back the current Iranian Government in exchange for oil.

    Four, that they would even join in on their side in the first place.

    Russia has gotten rich off of Iraq in the last decade. Not by supporting the insurgents or the past government, but by working with the new government in helping rebuild it.

    I bet you dollars to doughnuts that Russia and China would just sit back and let Iran fall. Then their companies will rush in afterwards and get as many rebuilding contracts that they can.

    If you ask me, I think the most likely cause of a war in that region at the moment would not even involve the US directly. It would involve Iran once again trying to close the Strait of Hormuz, and this would trigger off a war between them and both the UAE and Oman.
     
  6. bacardi

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    did the US win in Afghanistan? Do you honestly think they can do any better in Iran? Well anyways another war is good as this may just be the ticket to do the US in for good :)
     
  7. bacardi

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    I mean.....how many more trillions do you think the US can spend before the whole system implodes? :)
     
  8. Mushroom

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    You are confusing 2 very different things here Bacardi.

    Did the US win the war? Oh heck yea, nobody can question that. The problem they are having is in winning the peace. These are 2 very different things. But the US did win the war, no question about that. The Taliban government is no longer in control of Afghanistan, and has not been for almost a decade now.

    I know this may be a complex thing to understand. But the US can not win a peace, that is impossible. That is up to the government that is in charge of Afghanistan. Only they can bring their country back together and form a new nation. Other countries can assist, but that is all.

    For a good example, look at the US. By 1866 the Civil War was over. And there is no question that the Union won that one. But it took decades longer for them to win the peace and completely pacify the former Confederate states. Decades of programs and occupations.

    And in some areas that continued off and on for another century.

    So what makes you think that Afghanistan or other countries would be any different? Heck, there are still a huge number of Nazi's in Germany, even though that political party and ideology has been illegal there for over 65 years.

    You want simple black and white answers, in a world that is grey.
     
  9. bacardi

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    I dissagree. The US is incapable of winning any war......not in vietnam....not in Iraq ot any other war they ever fought.....all they know how to do is bomb the heck out of countries and kill alot of innocent people.

    Well anyays....a few more wars are good.....helps the deficit grow and eventually collapse the entire country. I can't wait :)
     
  10. Rollo1066

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    Cold war between USA and USSR lasted about 35 years without any outright war between them. Would expect a cold war with China to go about the same way (except China has a much better chance to win it than the USSR ever had).
     
  11. bacardi

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    thats because unlike the USSR, china has alot of foreign exchange reserves and huge exports to sustain them. The USSR was a basket case when it came to business!
     

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