The Gleick falsification simply makes the AGW case weaker. http://blogs.the-american-interest....rtisanship-are-wrecking-the-climate-movement/ quote: The Heartland affair has shown not merely that some climate alarmists (namely Gleick) will stoop to outright deception, and most of his peers will close ranks to defend him in a sort of Green Wall of Silence. What we have here is a death spiral: the worse things get for the movement, the more scrupulously and cautiously it needs to behave, but the more incautiously and emotionally it becomes leading to more failure and worse advocacy. The root cause of all this remains, in VMs opinion, a truly idiotic set of policy proposals that, no matter the state of the underlying science, simply cannot and will not be implemented. Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make green. Just ask Peter Gleick.
While the warmmongers will argue over the climategate e-mails to the cows come home, mind you they will never argue the merits they will simply refer to some whitewashes as if the same University the covered up for a child rapist can be trusted to investigate one of their own, one thing that is plainly clear from the e-mails is Dr. Mann's monumental ego. Were it not for him AGW as poicy would have been far further along today. When Ross & McIntyre hit the scene if Mann had simply admitted that he was wrong the movement may well have been able to move on. But in defending Dr. Mann they doomed themselves.
Its also important to remember that these people are not scientists. They are socialists. A socialsit is nothing but a socialist. They are a socialist 1st 2nd 3rd 4th ...... 100th .... 1,000,000th ad infinitum. People ask me how can I not trust a scientist. No I do not trust a socialist on anything where his/her socialism rubs up against anything else. A socialist will slit their own child's throat to advance "the cause" of socialism.
Wow! Talk about recycling tobacco industry propaganda: source Those associations did not work in 1967 and I am hoping there ae enough intelligent people that the socialism > climate change propaganda will not work in 2012!
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said you worthless debater. Keep defending "the cause" too your last breath. Its so funny how you argue that its only coincidence that people like Hansen just happen to also be hardcore commies. No I'm not going to believe one word from a hardcore commie.
OK. I'm done. This forum has rules against insults. YOU are not special. YOU agreed to follow the rules when you signed up. YOU are not exempt from the rules. If you insult me again, I will report you. First and only warning.
You do not have to trust anyone...just read a thermometer. The earth is getting warmer...that is a fact...not a political POV. The evidence is in the oceans, in the mountains, in the plains, in the north, in the south, in Europe, in South America, in Asia, in Australia, in Africa, and in North America. You do not have to argue data...open your eyes!!! Name calling just lessens your arguement. I am not a socialist...I am leaning towards Liberatarian.
Ah yes its mere coincidence that the hardcore nut commies like Dr. Hansen gravitate towards this field of science. Much like its only a coincidence that Dr. Gleicks writing style matches the original parts of the forged memo he claims was given to him by someone else. At some point in time you have to say enough is enough. These people are scientists. Their socialists. A socialist is only a socialist.
