The OP started from the position of batguano and other than those replying to you, it has gone nowhere but down hill. With that I will leave you to wallow in the bat guano on your own.
In two countries (Canada and Australia) I've had conversations with elderly people and noticed the tattooed numbers on their arms. I'd recommend such a conversation to anyone who seriously doubts the Shoah/Holocaust.
As for the OP. What's that old saw about lemons and lemonade? Or turning adversity to one's advantage? Anyway my knowledge of the efforts of certain interests to get a homeland for the Jews is very sketchy. But I'm pretty sure the idea was around well before Hitler turned up to do his terrible work. I sense there is some sort of criticism implicit in the idea that the Shoah/Holocaust gave real impetus to the idea that a Jewish homeland in Palestine was worthy. Given that it happened I don't see how a Zionist worth his or her salt would fail to seize the opportunity to gain traction from events not of their own making. Should they be condemned for so doing?
No, I'd ask you before assuming anything Margot. I was thinking that it's a good idea to read documents, to watch film, to listen to recordings of voices, but it's a far, far different experience to listen to someone, in a calm voice, telling you what they'd actually gone through.
I hope that you also one day have the time + opportunity to listen to those elderly non-Jewish Palestinians or their descendants who were driven from their ancestral homes by Zionist terrorist to make room for Europe's Jews === . IMO Exploiting the dead , is not a virtue. Jews were not the only victims. Why should Zionist Jews not be condemned for the crimes they've committed and continue to commit a against the Palestinian people. ?
I haven't had the chance to speak with any Palestinians who were displaced as a result of the civil war. However I have spoken with the daughter of Palestinians who were in that position and who eventually lived in Jordan. We didn't get into the history and politics of the region though. The issues of the Shoah/Holocaust and the Palestinian displacement are separate issues although they do share some common factors such as invasion, defence, reprisal, collective punishment and the like. I find it quite easy to criticise the Nazis treatment of European Jews and the Jewish treatment of Palestinians in the period during and after the civil war in Palestine. The fact of the Shoah/Holocaust doesn't justify the invasion and occupation of Palestine, but no doubt Zionists would, as I have suggested, found that referencing the murders of Jews in Europe perhaps afforded them some sort of means of claiming that it was the best thing at the time for an oppressed people.
The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: הסכם העברה Translit.: heskem haavara Translated: "transfer agreement") was signed on 25 August 1933 after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany (die Zionistische Vereinigung für Deutschland), the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine. While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to give up most of their possessions to Germany before departing. Those assets could later be obtained by transferring them to Palestine as German export goods.[1][2] The Haavara (Transfer) Agreement was agreed to by the German government in 1933 to allow the Zionist movement, in the form of the Haavara company to transfer property from Germany to Palestine, for the sole purpose of encouraging Jewish emigration from Germany. The Haavara company operated under a similar plan as the earlier Hanotea company. The Haavara Company required immigrants to pay at least 1000 pounds sterling into the banking company. This money would then be used to buy German exports for import to Palestine. The Haavara Agreement was thought among certain circles to be a possible way to rid the country of its supposed "Jewish problem." The head of the Middle Eastern division of the foreign ministry, Werner Otto von Hentig, supported the policy of concentrating Jews in Palestine. Von Hentig believed that if the Jewish population was concentrated in a single foreign entity, then foreign diplomatic policy and containment of the Jews would become easier.[5] Hitler's support of the Haavara Agreement varied throughout the thirties. Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but shortly reversed his opinion, and continued to support it, in the face of opposition, through 1939.[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
Werner Otto von Hentig was a German diplomat and a critic of the Nazi regime and his efforts to facilitate Jewish emigration to Palestine saved at least 60,000 lives. Hitler only grudgingly agreed to the transfer of the German Jews to Palestine and it is von Hentig who should be praised for removing of all obstacles by negotiating with the Nazi leadership. He also helped Jews to emigrate to Yugoslavia by securing 20,000 transit visas, while Oskar Schindler only saved 1,200 Jews during the Holocaust, and von Hentig's contribution to the Zionist cause was much greater.
Would have happened anyhow as there were, and are still, lots of antisemites such as yourself focusing about DNA, ancient texts and all to find *****s in normal people's lives to keep the hatred alive and, the rationale for a Jewish homeland relevant and in the forefront of reality.
On the other hand, our interst in you is a psyclogical observance study, what stimultes the lowest kind of a "human" in society, so far its the misery of minority groups, and that's it........ ta ta
A price the Arabs stated, it could have been diffrent, you expect us for a sympathy to point of destroying our own state but willing to give absulutly no sympathy in return - yet you dare to speak about tolerance, understanding and peace with the Palestinians ???? that's what we call an Arab hypocracy my dear. - - - Updated - - - We found something that you and Hbender agree on.
actually i thought he hit a home run…..problem is it goes against what you know is the truth so you knock it ..thats what you do knock anything that truthful and to the point …. as to where you are with lucidity. nowhere…you cannot answer the one question that makes this entire section relevant for people. you avoid the one question for it will show you for exactly what you are ...
