Was Russia better under the czars and feudalism than under Lenin?

While most of what we understand about Russia comes from some of the newspapers who are according to Noam chomsky the mouthpieces of the US government who design public opinions and even manufacture public consensus.

Let us discuss Russian politics. Was the Ocotber revolution a total failure? Was Russia better under the Czars or feudal system.

There are free thinkers who give their unbigoted and free opinions and some of them might have the real understanding the history of Russia.

 

Define what you mean by better. The Czars had introduced some Democratic reforms and had far fewer political prisoners. Under both systems the average person lived in what we in the west would consider abject poverty.

 

The human cost would probably have been avoided.

 

It is your voice or some imported one since it is hard to declare confidently about what really happened there unless you are a total independent thinker. There were so many news about China and The US wanted to totally destroy Chinese communism the way it did succeed in disintegrating the Soviet Union under Gorbachev. What China did had immensely to do with Mao's vision, national integration, long term planning and his success at defeating the Japanese invaders.

What America did remained unmentioned and his brutal action in the Vietnam war, their troop in Satanist and their destructive war on Iraq and their role in indirectly promoting promoting Bin Laden and Bin Laden was a Pro American and it is an open secret. What about so many deaths in the Korean war. What s about their spending billion dollars on arms and military forces whereas it always blames North Korea and Iraq, Iran.

I am an independent thinker and I have no answer and want to inquire into all these issues as I hope if I can never get the total truth or the darker side of history.

America had geographical advantages and it had a swarm of intellectuals, skilled workers from Eurasia that helped to build its economic superpower status on rock foundation few other Asian countries had. Imagine China how it developed into an advanced economy from the ruins of earlier dynasties

 

Between fifty and a hundred million dead in the process was just collateral damage right?

 

When you ask whether "Russia" was better, are you asking whether it was better for the serfs, or for the elite royalty?

Imho I think that all the revolutions that overthrew the ridiculous nature of royalty; the American, French, Russian, Chinese, etc. were steps forward. The movements away from orthodox communism by Gorbachev and Deng Xiaoping were further steps forward.

I'm hoping to see revolutions against the elite royalty in the Mid-East in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc.

 

In my opinion, Russia was better under SOME of the Czars.

 

obviously it wasn't.

there was no feudal system in tsars Russia; serfdom is not slavery, it is more akin to a contract signed by an athlete when joining a team.

guess why you were told that... because in fact it was the West living in poverty. Russia was doing fine, except for the periods of upheavals in its history.

the latter did not give up Communism, nor moved away from it. China joined the world market while being politically stable. Gorbatchov destroyed Soviet political system, so Russia had to deal with the free market while being in turmoil; hence Chinese products everywhere and no Russian ones.

 

Me too, except the only people capable of bringing about those revolutions are mullah and ayatollah religious extremist types. The U.S. is doing a great job of killing off the secular hopes.

 

what should be kept in mind when examining the subject is that Western education concerning history, politics and economics is faulty altogether and rather makes for indoctrination and spin than study. Russia is taken by Western propagandists who pose as scholars for a living hell and no other view on her is allowed; while simple logic shows that Russia would not have been able to play such a considerable geopolitical role if the life here wasn't ok for most part.

 

Doing fine Yeah if you didn't mind waiting in line for flipping toilet paper for 3 hours, only the elites having cars, and the most reliable vehicle in Russia being American 2,5 ton trucks left over from WWII and that as late as the mid seventies. Hell they were still in Soviet supply echelons as late as '75. In the mean time American farmers had better equipment rusting away in the back corner of their fields in 1960 than farmers in the soviet union had working theirs in 1970

 

Under the Imperial system, the common people were pretty much slaves to the crown, and usually were taxed heavily to pay for Russia's wars and left with little food because it was horded for the army and the nobles.

Under the Soviets, they were slaves to the Lenin's government, were taxed just as heavily, if not more so, and food was still horded for the military and the government leaders.

 

Would you say that either of the systems you mention is analogous to the royal elite that rules Saudi Arabia?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/25/us-mideast-crisis-syria-saudi-idUSKCN0SJ06720151025

 

what rubbish... where did you get it from? who told you that? and, which is most important, for what reason? and why did you take it hook line and sinker?

i want to see your sources of information so bigoted and misleading.

 

not true; care to provide sources, especially as for the taxes?

why do you tell lies?.. there was no taxes in the USSR, i was born there and also well remember that we Soviet people had no problems with basic food, none of us went hungry.

not nearly as much as with the Rockfellers, Rotshields and alike in the West.

 

gosh, this thread is yet another example how Western propaganda has worked on its own people so they know nothing about the rest of the world but still think it possible to express opinions on what they have no idea about; this is scary.

 

The Russian people suffered immensely under both the Czar and especially under Stalin. Estimates have Stalin killing 20 million of his own people. Whether that is true or not I do not know. The old guard from Khrushchev until Gorbachev continued with repression. Gorbachev tried to lax things up and improve the Russian peasant life.

So I would say from the Czar era through and until Gorbachev, there really wasn't much difference. Degrees yes, but overall not much. So are the Russian People better off today under Putin than the Czars, I think so. But it may be a matter of degree again. It seems the killings has stopped, but jail and the gulag still beckons. But overall, the answer is a definite yes with all things considered.

 

Links to any of these assertions would be nice

 

could you provide examples how did Russians suffer under the tsars other than unsubstantiated accusations obviously based on claims made by Bolsheviks who had an axe to grind in this case? Stalin is a completely different matter, he had to build a new model state from scratch after the devastating civil war; you have to prove it was him to blame for Russians suffering and not Trotsky, Bucharin, Zinoviev or Kamenev who sabotaged his efforts.

 

No.. the Saudis invest 87% of oil income in the people.. education, healthcare, clean water, roads, mass transit, parks, job creation and manufacturing..

They aren't stupid, you know.

 

Seems like a loose/loose, either way.

 

what historical facts you base that statement on?

 

The Czars didn't kill as many as the communists did.

And slaughtering the Romanov family was barbaric.

 

It's the same when it comes to Islam. They are in their own, little world.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes.