Was the use of atomic bombs to end WWII ethical?

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Even before hostilities broke out in Europe in Sept. 1939, the US was selling more & more finished goods, grain, machinery - nearly anything & everything, to all comers in Europe. Japan had variously been @ war with China, Russia, Korea, Manchuria, Germany from 1895 on - & just like the US, their economy boomed during WWI - they also sold to all comers, anyone who could pay in cash. The US farm economy, manufacturing (especially ships, boats, aircraft, jeeps, tanks, artillery, machine guns, ammo, uniforms, POL, trucks & on & on), raw materials for export all boomed from 1937 or so on to our entry into WWII Dec. 1941. We continued to manufacture everything needed for our wartime expenditures, plus exporting to USSR, UK, our allies in China, Australia & anyone else who aligned with us against the Axis Powers.

 

Of course that doesn't include what the Krauts sent to the bottom of the ocean with their wolf packs, either.

Again, from the Flyboys, the opening of the Japanese homeland by the Great White Fleet, awoke the Japanese to needing their own military. Part of the orders was for the Fleet to find a suitable spot for a re-coaling station as much in a straight line from San Francisco and Hawaii as possible, because we 'wanted' a piece of China. ( that hasn't turned out too too well, now, as we certainly have more of the Lovable Han than we seem to be comfortable with )

That spot turned out to be Chi Chi Jima, closer to Japan, part of Japan, and during the war the island with all the communications equipment for the entire Japanese Army and Navy. It is where GHW Bush was shot down attempting to dive bomb the facilities, and except for the US sub, may have been picked up by the Japanese and eventually beheaded and cannibalized as others that were shot down were.


I believe it is generally attributed that the US going to war ended the Great Depression. Certainly none of Mr Roosevelt's policies or the Federal Reserve did the trick.

 

It was not necessary for the U.S. to use atomic bombs to defeat Japan. Had the U.S. waited for a few more days, the Soviet Army would have easily overwhelmed and defeated Japan by conventional military means. The U.S. acted rashly so it could claim credit for defeating Japan.

 

An internal embargo? We blockaded their sources of raw materials, oil and rubber and other goods from the East Indies. That is an act of war by any standards.

An embargo and blockade was made at the origin of the sources of materials.

Yamamoto knew he had to take out the fleet at Pearl to make the US sue for peace.

Okay.

Maybe, maybe not.

Or blockade their ports and starve them into submission.

 

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Yah, the IJA & IJN were v. far gone, once Mitchell managed to drop some bombs here & there on Tokyo, the ever-inviolate. However, you have the sequence wrong on the fate of some of the captured aircrew - they were more likely cannibalized ("steaks" cut from them) & then beheaded, or used for bayonet practice, or simply shot. If they were truly unlucky, they were shipped off to Manchukuo for "scientific experiments" with plague, lice, chem warfare, poison gas, rats, etc. Sometimes vivisection, without anesthesia. Countless POWs - Chinese, Korean, Russian, & Allied - were lost to this heartless practice.

It was not the US entry to WWII that brought us out of the Depression - it was the rising exports as tensions ratcheted upward among the soon-to-be combatants & their orders for civilian & military goods, food, raw materials, POL. It was also our delayed entry into WWII - 2 years & 3 mo. after the other combatants were well on their way to destroying their infrastructure, manufacturing, transport & generations of soldiers & civilians - by then we were producing at the max, exporting everything everywhere, gearing up to draft military, building up cadre for training, putting up posts, bases, parts, repair, laying kneels for ships & on & on.

We could not keep up with the demand, & that's what brought us out of the Depression. Plus, in the post-war period, most foreign manufacturing was destroyed, with no one to work the equipment, farms & fields in ruins, & so on.

 

Errr, with no amphibious assets? What were they going to do, have their army swim to Japan?

Please give me a single source that shows that we had a blockade of Japan prior to the war. Please, just one reputable one. Because I would love to see it.

And there is no "Maybe" about it, do some research into what happened on Saipan, eh? Around 20,000 Japanese civilians there before the battle, around 1,000 afterwards. Most of them died by suicide, over 1,000 by jumping off the cliffs.

Look, instead of just making things up, how about doing a little research, ok?

[video=youtube;eDUy0uzmaU4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDUy0uzmaU4[/video]

 

http://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/PearlHarbor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

http://www.history.co.uk/explore-history/ww2/pearl-harbor.html

 

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It most certainly does include those shipments. The shipments were gathered or manufactured, as the case may have been. Graded, sorted, transported & loaded onto cargo ships, & insured. I don't know offhand who insured the stuff - typically Lloyd's of London, but there may have been an insurance consortia set up among US & UK shipping/finance/banking circles. Even in wartime, someone insured those shipments, & I'm sure that the insurance had to pay off repeatedly @ the beginning of the War in the Atlantic, from Sept. 1939 on.

Either way, credit had to be extended to the companies that shipped goods to UK; otherwise, shipments would have dried up upon the losses exceeding profit margins. It should be doable to see who insured those cargoes.

 

Sorry, I wasn't plainer. Of course the material that went down with the ships was counted. It was over and above what actually made it through. My Dad was on the Murmansk Run for a while, which, and this is my understanding, was the only port in Russia that was open and it was above the Arctic Circle. Pop said all the hands that worked above decks had heavy beards to help deflect the cold and salt icicles off their faces.

 

The number of errors in this post is awe inspiring.

 

Now remember, these are your own reference, did you even look at them?

And embargo is mention several more times, not a single reference to a blockade.

And once again, many references to an embargo, not a single one to a blockade.

Wow, yet again, not a single reference to a blockade, lots of references for the embargo.

Wow, that is what, 0 for 3? Care to try this again? Because I can play this game all day long, and it is even more fun when I use your own references to destroy your argument.

PS: You are aware of the difference between an embargo and a blockade, are you not?

 

If we cut off a nations supply of raw materials, it matters little what one cares to call it. However, Sir, I stand in awe at your prowess with words. The field, Sir, is yours. Have a nice evening and a fine suppa, ya heah?

 

It makes a large difference.

An embargo is simply not selling items to another country. It may be like our decision to not trade at all with Cuba, or our not selling weapons to Syria. Both are embargos, perfectly legal, and internal matters. Iran has an embargo against the US in oil, should that be enough for a declaration of war? Because according to you, it is.

A blockade is when you stop any country from trading with another. Japan set up a blockade around China in 1938, the Battle of the Atlantic was an attempted blockade of England, and Egypt tried to blockade Israel during the Arab-Israeli Wars.

It is not just words, it is facts. But they do not agree with you, and you continue to insist that you are right, and I find that laughable. But please, continue with your warped frame of mind. But it is apparent that you do have no idea what you are talking about.

 

I insist on nothing, Sir. I stated the field was yours. I will even state that you are right. If that isn't enough, I'm sorry.

 

Ehm, you forgot a small detail man: nations are made of men, they are not a single person... if you strike a whole nation because " they shouldn't have provoked me " you are killing both warmongers and peaceful people.

Now think about all those japanese nuked up and maybe they were against war. Fine, i nuke them up both military and civilians so they will learn not to mess around with me anymore! You are a strange kind of pacifist don't you?