Was the USSR a Russian imperialist power?

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  1. spt5

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    Considering how quickly the USSR restored the imperialist ww1 country borders of east Europe after ww2, the USSR may have been an imperialist power.

    The USSR seems to have worked for a pan-slavonic east European unity. How did the Soviet Public Relations propaganda manage to hide this fact and successfully pull off a communistic anti-imperialism propaganda, in the face of sharply contradictory reality.
     
  2. General Winter

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    It wasn't.
     
  3. EvilAztec

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    That baby-spt5 suffering a lot for things that he lost from when iron curtain iron were up
     
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    Sovietskaja Zenzina New Member

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    Glory to Soviet Union and I would not mind if those days come back.
     
  5. EvilAztec

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    spt5 don't know russian language. that is source of his fear
     
  6. Potap

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    It would be more correct to name the USSR as anti-imperialist power, which constrained imperialism. The best proofs are imperialist wars which USA have started at 90s and continue now.
     
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    I don't know, should we ask its most famous leader, a Georgian, if he thought it was a Russian imperialist power?
     
  8. spt5

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    It appears that the Soviet Union had European ambitions, Iron Curtain. Then, now, after the break-up of the Soviet Union, Russia has no European ambitions. Why is this? Russia seems to be content with giving up all its former European trading partners to the EU, except Belarus and maybe the Ukraine. If the Soviet Union was not an imperialist force, then how is it that it is now that Russia withdraws from Europe, and not before, during the Soviet era.

    Side question: what are the most popular Russian national foods? I asked a few Russians at campus, but they couldn't tell(?).
     
  9. General Winter

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    Imperialism is a political and economic domination of the country or countries over others for the purpose of their economic exploitation.The Soviet Union did not to exploit other countries for the very simple reason that there was no private property in the USSR and consequently there was no class of the owners wich was interested in economic exploitation .
     
  10. AGS

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    Well political ideology can confuse your perception on oppression.

    Even though private monopolistic businesses never had the opportunity to oppress the people.

    You have big government oppressing the people. Power can shift from govt leadership and private monopolistic businesses.

    Rockefellers controlling the senate while you have ex soviet officials now owning oil companies in the ex-soviet union...


    Sounds familiar?
     
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    Private business exploits people for it's capital is the unpaid labor of the workers,it's a truism.

    What all this have to do with the Soviet Union?
     
  12. AGS

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    Soviet Union was a big bureacratic govt with a monopolistic power that fell apart.

    Monopolistic Businesses are the same.

    Big Govt exploits peoples individuality and freedom making them not responsible but dependent for a welfare state that spoon feeds them.

    Big govt suppresses innovation and creativity like capitalistic big businesses..
     
  13. raymondo

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    I don't think that this statement bears any close examination .
    Whatever the negatives associated with Capitalism , its prime aim-- certainly within the key private sector ----- is to make a profit and to attract private investment via regular dividends and the implied promise to increase share price .
    Through Marketing and carefully considered business strategies , there is a premium on innovation and creativity . These two areas are the life blood of companies and their futures .
    It may not be coincidence that innovation and creativity have ben huge drivers within the Western Industrialised countries , and in sharp contrast to the Federation which has seen a huge decreases in these same areas.The magnitude has been so great that it has been acknowledged by the leadership and is unwittingly the main new driver toward a more mixed economy . Presently the Federation lags behind and at a worrying and dangerously unproductive distance .
     
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    As if stupid propaganda cliche can explain something.
     
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    The capitalism of which you talking about had died long ago. Mergers & Acquisitions - here is a new
    slogan of the modern corporate world. Russia and China will be make rules, simply because
    that they have now successfully confront the modern corporate world order.
    Totalitarian world order begins to die, the United States mired in deception and wars, the EU start falling apart
     
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    Love your satire , Evil .
    Which companies have you got , to apply this amazing new system wich Putin totally opposes ?
    Were you thinking of his pension fund company -- known as Gazprom ?
    Or was it one of the Mafia Banks ?
    Nice to see you developing a good Western type of humour .
     
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    Ray you better Remember about the Nabucco project, which Russia has successfully buried LOL
     
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    Buried is right .
    That pipeline has to cross Turkey , Bulgaria , Romania , Hungary and Austria .
    Putrid realises the pressure the EU could put on any one of these countries which would fick up Nabucco .
    And with Turkey possibly going proxy for the US in Syria , strings could be pulled in NATO and promises made about future Turkish EU membership .
    We could tie you in knots .
    Perhaps they will put me in charge and I will invite you for a Vodka Martini , shaken , not stirred .
     
  19. EvilAztec

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    It is good that the internet communication is sterile.
    Are you Ray is one of the categories of people for which
    any person never shake hands when meeting
     
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    Perhaps it is necessary to send a letter to Interpol in which the will be told about yours love to Dokka Umarov ?
     
  21. _Inquisitor_

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    Communism has to be imperialistic. It is the matter of survival as a state for it. If it can't it has to put Iron Curtain around itslef.

    Russia is no USSR. It is still in a survival mode after 10 years of the rule of democracy. It is "live and let live."

    as to food russians should be no different from americans, everyone likes Chinese.













    I am serious. Russian cuisine is the best of all national cuisines of nations constituting first the Russian Empire and then the USSR. It also includes French (see history).
     
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    I think he already shared this experience of him visiting Russia. Even prostitutes did not want to be around and were living the room or something... I don't remember exactly.
     
  23. Potap

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    If to believe to some American users. These are hamburgers, French fries and coca-cola. http://www.politicalforum.com/russia-eastern-europe/223492-american-propaganda-cold-war-22.html :chew: As to me I prefer a borshch, a mashed potatoes with cutlets and meat sauce, pelmenis, salads and many other things. Russian cuisine uses own original slavic dishes which have very ancient history and the adapted dishes from French, Italian, Caucasian and even Central Asian cuisines. In any case it will be better if you'll read this article to know about Russian cuisine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cuisine
     

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