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its all happening not because of his policies, but because of the china virus, the same virus that democrats originally didnt take seriously enough and caused many people their lives, then flipped the script and went full blown overkill in order to keep everyone locked down as long as possible to hurt he economy as much as possible.

The economy was the best its ever been and it stayed that way his entire presidency until the china virus. You can be as verbose as you want, but the objectively reality is the only thing that put us in a recession was the china virus. Once that passes we will be just fine, especially if Trump remains the president.

We almost certainly wont have a cure, and only a vaccine.

Incorrect, Trump broke the trends set by Obama around the LFPR and the amount of people on govt assistance. He broke those trends and created the best economy we have ever had. Better than Obama by a long shot, and that’s while having the Trends of LFPR and Unemployment be inverse...as they are supposed to be. Unlike Obamas garbage numbers with a LFRP and unemployment both going down because he was a liar.

Not shameful at all, simply the truth.

I dont think we will win coming up, simply because of democrat propaganda assisted by the overwhelming majority of the MSM, and outlets like google being self admitted democrats using their algorithms to influence peoples minds by altering search results to favor the left, all of this is affecting to many surface level thinkers. Democrats however, have done all the finger pointing in the world. This is beyond question.

 

Not really...something can make you feel better or be a treatment and not be a cure.

 

Sure. I doubt id use the world miracle for something so benign. Probably the reason for the confusion around Trump using the word.

 

An absurd, despicable claim from Trump you're repeating on this forum.

Texas, Georgia, and Florida have Republican governors, so no one is forcing those states to do anything. Why aren't things going well there?

You quoted and ignored the evidence from the Federal Reserve the economy was better under Bill Clinton in the 1990s. Again, here it is:



What is it--you can't read a graph?

Sure, the "China virus" (an ridiculous term no one other than Trump and his followers use) brought on a recession, but Trump and Senate Republicans are threatening to turn a recession into a depression by not supporting enough federal spending.

Dr. @Moolk, I presume?

You're ignoring evidence from the Federal Reserve that the economy under the last three years of Obama was about the same as the first three under Trump. Here it is again:

This doesn't make sense, a lot like Trump's incoherent blather.

I think you're going to lose because people are dissatisfied with how Trump has dealt with COVID-19 by pressuring governors to open too soon.



Trump may have blown his best chance at redemption with poor performance on handling the virus.

 

Even in republican states it’s democrat areas that are being hit the hardest. This is because Democrats didn’t take it seriously enough. This is on them.

the economy has never been better than under President Trump. And again, he did this by breaking Obama’s garbage trends.

the China virus is a appropriate term. Any depression that occurs is due to democrats going way to far in thier fear mongering.

it makes perfect sense, your inability to understand it is not my fault.

I think he will lose due to 4 years of dem propaganda, an msm constantly lying about him, social media suppressing right leaning views, and google controlling search algorithms.

 

i would have...compared to how sick she was to how she felt after the treatment...i don’t think how she felt was benign....

 

So it was a miracle? Now I'm confused. Either the medicine (or "cure") they gave her worked so well Trump called it a miracle, or it didn't. Which one is it?

 

you are the only one saying cure

 

no, I used quotes around that because that was the point of contention in the thread that led to this point.

So again, which part is the miracle that Trump referred to?

 

who said cure?

i answered that...sorry you’re sad she wasn’t healthy...sorry her feeling good wasn’t a happy miracle...why do anti trump’s like sick people?

 

Not sure. Someone way back in the thread. Not really prevalent to the discussion around the world miracle though.

Please don't put words in my mouth or attribute your strawman to me. I never said anything of those things.

I'm simply trying to figure out what Trump was referring too when he said miracle and nobody seems able or willing to give a straight answer. If it wasn't the drug and the resulting affects, then what was it?

 

Wrong. It was better under Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Reagan, and Clinton. This from the St. Louis Fed...

The last three years of Obama were about the same as the first three under Trump.



I presented the proof you were wrong and you just ignored it.

 

i have made clear the obvious miracle...her feeling good. I’m sure the drug helped her feel better. Nobody called it a miracle cure. Miracle was the adjective to describe how she felt. Cure is the word, that’s a noun, that you and the fake news folks claimed he said.

 

You didn’t present the proof you think you did. It was not “about the same” under Obama’s as Trump. Trump reversed the trends of Obama LFPR and amount of people on govt assistance. This is not “about the same” lol. You only think that because you choose to cherry pick information.
The reality is, Trump our performer Obama considerably while dealing with democrat partisanship and obstructionism that is unprecedented.

 

Yes, it was.

The Labor Force Participation Rate was stabilized after the Bush Recession and unemployment came down.

You don't have the facts on your side, so you change the subject and launch a personal attack.

The truth is that you're wrong.

 

He did say it. He said it's a miracle.

So what your saying is, is that her feeling better was a miracle. But the drug was not a miracle even though it was what made her feel better.

Or the miracle is that she felt better in spite of taking the drug, which is much more concerning as it means the expectations for its effectiveness was so low that the fact that it worked was a miracle.

Which then begs the question as to why the heck it was tested on a little girl.

 

what i see from this and the way you and the left has done this

is you all are sadly desperate

 

Nah, the desperation is the inability to answer simple questions because it's all very apparent at this point as to what he said, but you and others in this thread are completely unable to admit to the reality of what he said, so must resort to deflections or (at this point when the logic trap closes) ad-hominems.

It's ok, i was just curious to see if you or anyone else would actually admit it. I'll grade this as "Meets expectations". Cheers

 

No it wasn’t.

Again, you cannot refute the objective fact that Obama far outspent Trump during his first 3 years, and had an economy far worse than Trumps. This can be seen in the LFPR and the amount of people on govt assistance. Trump reversed those rates while still dropping the unemployment rate to never before seen lows.

I didnt launch a personal attack, the objective facts are absolutely on my side. This is irrefutable as I have laid out the evidence for you, If you dont want to see that, that is not my fault.

The truth is that I am objectively correct.

 

There is nothing to admit, he didnt say what is being claimed. It’s genuinely as simple as that.

 

He did not call the drug a miracle cure, nor did he come anywhere close. The MSM and many democrats desire to paint it that way is objectively false. You dont have to like this objective truth, but it remains true nonetheless.

Any further speculation as to what he meant is simply of your creation.

 

ah your. fake news...so called out

 

you see flagged as fake news

 

He inherited a recession. I compared his last three years to Trump's first three and they're pretty much the same.

Unemployment continued coming down, so it stands to reason there would be fewer folks on welfare.



The Labor Force Participation Rate started going up under Obama when employers began to look at some of the unemployed.

Trump continued a trend. There's no miracle.

Of course, I don't agree with you because you're wrong. Look at the three graphs above from the Federal Reserve.

You're like Trump in that you both evidence difficulty admitting error.

 

Obama far outspent Trump in his first 3 years while having numbers far worse than Trumps. Obamas LFPR went down at the same time his unemployment went down, as his amount of people on govt assistance went up. This is objectively true. Furthermore, Trump then took those garbage numbers and reversed them, while still having the unemployment rate reach historic lows. That’s because he destroyed Obamas horrible ecnomy while spending less.

Obamas LFPR went down his entire presidency except right before Trump came into power. That isn’t a trend. HIs trend, was down.

Then Trump came in and broke that trend, embarrassing obama by finding that magic wand.