We can argue about them, but the Supreme Court has decided...

That would be definition #1, the definition you rejected earlier in favor of #2 because it served the point you were making at the time. Pick one or the other.

There may be a reason you are able to imagine a fetus as one having feelings and knowledge about abortions. According to Rev. John Swomley, Emeritus Professor of Social Ethics, St. Paul School of Theology, it is a classic symptom of a fetal idolater...

This strategy elevated tiny human embryos and fetuses to a reverence, an exalted status, a God-planned sacredness... "Fetal idolatry [becomes] the major battleground issue for both the patriarchal and clerical control of women," declares Swomley.

These powerful religious and political leaders willfully ignore the fact that a five-week embryo is no bigger than a pencil eraser that it has no face, hands or feet, no higher brain centers, no functional sense organs to see, smell, hear or feel anything. They suppress the fact that the large majority of abortions occur while the fetus is still smaller than my thumb. They deny the fact that as late as the 19th week the human fetal brain still has no nerve connections to the sensory environment and thus is incapable of experiencing pain or touch, or that the fetus doesn't have a brain capable of the most rudimentary level of human consciousness until well into the 3rd trimester.

None of this well-established embryology makes any difference to those bishops, televangelists, pastors, elected politicians and other men who promote fetal idolatry. They dismiss all these pesky scientific, medical and embryological facts. Terms like "zygote", "blastula," "embryo" and "fetus" are replaced with "child" and "baby". The fetus is elevated to a kind of demigod a helpless, innocent, unborn baby with awareness and feelings; a baby that is playfully sucking its thumb and only needs to grow; a pre-born baby with the sacred, inalienable, self-evident, fundamental right to life...

Glamorizing and personalizing mindless, senseless human embryos has distracted us for decades from the fundamental question: Do we really want to live in a country that tries to force women to use their bodies against their will to incubate unwanted embryos, a country that outlaws a woman’s right to have herself freed from this potentially dangerous and unwanted bodily invasion?

http://www.philosophylounge.com/abortion-fetal-idolatry-part-1/

 

You have no clue what God does or doesn't want.

One thing you do now for sure however is that if it is God that created you, then this God made you in such a way that you need to kill other life to survive.

A fetus in the early stages for pregnancy does not have a brain never mind brain function = no capability for thought = no will

 

All of the above is just your standard twist and squirm.

 

Why do you continuously misrepresent, twist and basically lie about my comments.

how about the one that is on topic, something which your comment is not.

In your opinion, however I have qualified everything I have said, now would you care to actually address the comments instead of me personally or is your total repertoire only about personal attacks.

I'd suggest doing some research but I know it would fall onto deaf ears.

Projection, please show where I have stated I am an authority on psychology .. yet another lie.

I am an authority on none of the above, are you?

Now you can either start addressing the comments made and not me personally or I shall ignore you.

 

God must kill them....obviously

 

so thats it then

You back up flushing human fetus down the toilet because of the act of miscarriage.
You take ,for some ,a life altering experience of miscarriage ..and turn it into a reason for killing all chances of a human being enjoying life.

common sense and decency dictates that your reasoning is as flawed as this.

human teeth decay , why not just extract them all after they first appear.

 

You're avoiding the question. Nice trick.

 

there were times i enjoyed you as a poster..

but infantile posts such as these which is demeaning on so many levels is just ..well..words are not worth you anymore..

 

actually i never avoid any questions…you just avoided the absolute idiocy of your reasoning..
miscarriage is never an excuse for any other actions…except in consoling the person who sometimes false into both mental and clinical depression due to miscarriage..

now go out and wait for car accidents on your street and pull up a chair and enjoy your popcorn…

despicable…people read this that have miscarried, and would do anything to bring the little person they so want to love FULL TERM!!!.

despicable...

 

fugazi…no one is twisting your words..i've kept it quite simple…

you admit to this

you wrote inane diatribes about little children in the phillipines who die of malaria and pollution and bad water and all sorts of diatribes about human woe….

but this is an abortion thread , as you have blasted and pointed out to me on occasion ,sooooo

when a person details human life as nothing special in an abortion thread…it's going to raise alarm bells about the character of that person and why they enjoy the legal aspect of terminating human life…
you want more abortions…you seem to dwell on the fact abortions should continue…do you respect the act of abortion fugazi

like i said some of us fund human life sacrosanct and love life and not only find it exceptionally special , but precious…
people do all sorts of human endeavour to cherish the specialness of human life…even you see human woe ..only seem to use it to make some inane point..but hey!!! lets not go there ...for now

you said Human life is nothing….nothing special fugazi…
and appalled as others are…point out to you it is so much more than just special …

now I have thrown down the forum gauntlet so to speak, given you opportunity to retract your statement for the absolute total inconsiderate piece of wording ever to be read in these internet halls.
Well there is trolling of course and out right nonsense, but you do seem to have a bit of intellect and don't come off as a troll and the other creatures that post here…

so whats is it going to be eh..

call me a lier
try to say i am twisting your words
or just admit it stems from an insensitivity towards human life and you really want to work on it..

like i said and many can attest to this…ask ShivaTD..a once time mod here..

when wrong..and i know i'm wrong..i apologize , thank the person for teaching me and helping me grow and be a better person…and move on…

none of us are perfect fugazi..but blatant insensitivity in an abortion section…hey Cady is just on about miscarriage as an excuse to continue terminating human life and the Gorn captain is trolling the section…fine company you now keep

it's in your court fugazi..
stay honest
get real

and i think there is a forum rule about calling someone a lier.
and i am not a lier…have got it wrong many a time fugazi…not a lier

now chin up…take your bows and apologize to me for calling me a lier and admit your insensitivity and move on..

but i and others see what you posted find it appalling and will not let it go till you grow...

 

such an authority on everything eh..

i read you reply…it's mind numbing , doesn't mean anything…so ..blah!!!!
nothing for me to give actual thought to

 

Your mind is perhaps numb because you have been refuted and have no arguments in support of your position and this confuses you.

"Its Gods will" what a funny statement. Then the one that claims to know the will of God accuses me of pretending to be an authority on everything.

Now that is mind numbing.

 

You haven't attempted to answer any questions, or support your own claims. All you have done is insult those who disagree with you.

 

actually if you look back…and this is what you do by the way..

you made a despicable statement about miscarriage .It was in the form of a question, but it was a statement.
i responded to it..
you said i didn't
so i responded again..
now you still insist i have not answered your question..
which now becomes you insisting i agree with you or else it's not an answer…


let me ask you this…
why would you think miscarriage takes place…you posted it like it is a premise for abortion.
miscarriage is a tragedy for most..


you know this mediocre debate with it's fugazi ranting about the actual meaning of the word fact…

you saying miscarriage is a viable reasoning for abortion
now you demanding me answer over and over…


you people have not a leg to stand on…you know it..
and yet now it's down to the drivelest of drivel …
fact fact…from fugazi..fugazi states quite plainly that human life is nothing special….it's a horrible thing for anyone to say…now fugazi wants not only to stand by that but deny it..

it's absurd…

you are doing the same thing…
because you have nothing civil to say..you can't ..any loving person would deem abortion as a pariah on human life.
siding with it as anything other really appals good people..

Cady, it's not nice, it's horrid, all this that you are doing is nothing other trying to come to terms with it..
why/
do you work in one of those places where they flush human fetus from a mother's womb and toss it and label it medical waste.

Cady do you regard human fetus when it is out of the womb as medical waste...

and i answered your quote with a reply of my opinion twice now..
you know what i think of your belittling miscarriage

 

BTW, many miscarriages.....go un-noticed by the woman. It's ascribed to normal menstruation.

Does Doc Dred weep and gnash his teeth for them every day????

 

Great illustration on that point!

 

to belittle miscarriage is a troll

 

I asked a question based on the reality of miscarriage:

Why do you find it despicable, except that it undermines your belief that a fetus has a will to live?

Wrong. I realize you "responded to it," but you didnt' answer the question. Instead you insulted me:

No, I am insisting that an insult doesn't answer the question or support your premise.

I absolutely did nothing of the sort. Miscarriage stats are reality. I'm just asking you if those stats support or undermine your theory that fetuses have a "will to live."

Where did I say "miscarriage is a viable reasoning for abortion"? Where? I'm only asking that you answer the original question rather than insult those who disagree with you.

Blatant lie.

If my reasoning is so flawed, you should be able to counter it easily without lies and insults.

 

Do you metaphorically rend your garments and go into mourning, for every fertilized egg that fails to implant and is ejected as menses?


Say "Yes"...or prove yourself disengenuous.

 

Cady, are you taking lessons from fugazi?
is that an insult?

fugazi made a very disgusting statement about human life .
fugazi did not approve of my take on that piece of garbage.

So fugazi's only defence, doc Dred is lying and insulting me…

it just made fugazi look small and all credibility out the window.

I enjoy a good debate Cady, as i do this forum.

Now please explain to me your accusations where i lied and where i insulted you.

i will apologize in kind if you show me.

i never insulted you and i never lied .
but if i did i will apologize..

serioulsy , this is not an insult..but i'll bet you can't actually show me the lie or the insult…plainly…not some arbitrary decipher the meaning as to mean a lie and insult…but just the plain insult and the plain lie.

if you don;t , you are no better than fugazi in this tactic..i you can and i apologize i will retract my just made tactic statement as well..

fair enough?

 

i light incense , burn candles and try to purge Satan from doing his work.
menstrual cycles are a havoc to be warranted by a vast array of jJesuit priest in the alter of the toilet.
The finery of a Jesuit is to minister menstrual penance unto themselves in order to avoid accidental overdose of ingesting ovarian cysts during cunnilingus.

One must offer sanctity to these eggs …carry them in an ovarian satchel which for a sum of a few thousand dollars i could send you..

 

OK...

Doesn't this mean I'm not "good people" or "a loving person"?

Your blatant lies were already been pointed out, and after all that, you still haven't answered whether miscarriage stats support or weaken your claim that a fetus has a will to live.

 

Now WHO's "mocking miscarriage"????

 

It's not an insult, in the sense it's some personal attack.
It's a view anti abortionists have…all of them..
and they are !!!good people..to a fault..

if you feel they are not , well that just part and parcel to your paradigm of killing human fetus ...

you write diatribes about this…that i am a lier and lied…and yet when asked to please point them out your response is that they have been pointed out already.

well, you said i insulted you along with lied and you were able to at least offer me what you deem an insult. you posted what you deem the insult.
but when it comes to the lies…you post it has already been pointed out.
It hasn't been, thats why i asked the two questions..
one down, one to go..

you do realize that you have now combined several different posts on the subject and your demand of me to answer which part exactly….for it has grown…it just got to be a more involved answer.

i thank you for now using the word miscarriage instead of the flaky terms first used by you.
Now it's miscarriage..
the actual stats were never mentioned at first now it's stats…as is the will to live…these have all been piled on by you since you first asked me the question..they first were something you and Chuz Life were discussing, and i jumped in.

so really now who is lying and twisting the data to suit who..

i like to keep each subject simple,and not fill in with a pile on effect after a few pages of debate. s you just did.

so are you going to actually apologize for saying i insulted you, now that you see it was a view of those that cherish life..it as i said appals these people..

if you feel it's an insult ,i put it one other way..
a soldier legally kills, a terrorist illegally kills..
are they not both killing

is this some sort of insult to our brave soldiers , or just a fact..you should realize in order for a soldier todo it's job properly, it has to be conditioned to distance itself from the actual act it is being asked to perform..

now why do i use the word it instead of him or her…to show that it is this conditioning that is necessary..
A serial killer will not want the victim's name to be said in public…when someone kidnaps in order to abuse and kill the media is asked to mention the person's name in hopes the killer humanizes the person they are abusing.

now you are conditioned to view killing human fetus is not killing humans..you have taken the propaganda and made it your paradigm.
when someone points out the reality of the situation you term it insult.

you with me Cady or is this all too much?

as per my lies..
i'm gonna bet you actually can't post my lies and can only say you did already for you know full well it would look stupid to put in type.

 

And I have never disputed that I wrote it, yet so far you have ducked and dived when asked to provide proof that I stated it as a fact .. I am still waiting for that proof, until then you are nothing more than a liar.

You asked me why I felt that human life was not special, I gave you examples of how humans treat other humans and because you have no response you wriggly like a worm.

Yep it is and in the context of my response the valid examples I gave are within the realms of tha topic.

Only in those who are closed minded, and yet again you are projecting what you want me to be as if it somehow justifies the lies you use .. does it make you feel better about yourself?

again please show where I have EVER said I want more abortions, you cannot so yet another lie slips so easily from your mouth.

I dwell on the fact that all pro-lifers want is to turn women into breeding machines by removing their choice on how their body is used.

Do you respect the act of telling the truth, because on evidence here you don't.

and you are entitled to that opinion, however until you provide something that adds weight to that opinion it is pretty worthless in a debate.

and they do just as much to destroy it as well, just because you choice to ignore that doesn't mean it goes away.
I would say you also make inane points bit as you haven't made any points it would be pointless, so far all you have done is place your opinion for all to see and when someone disagrees with it you get all huffy.

and I stand by that statement.

You are going to have to tell me how you know what others are thinking.

Really, so far YOU are the only one who has and as yet haven't given a single relevant reason why.

I couldn't careless if you find it inconsiderate, I find your inane rambling inconsiderate will you retract it all?
The only troll here is the one I am replying to in this thread.

You are a liar as already shown, and you do twist words.
My sensitivity on human life has no bearing to the reality of human life.

Then you need to apologize for accusing me of stating something as a fact when anyone can see that I did not.

I am my own person Doc, what others write here I may agree with, some I don't.

It's in your court Doc
stay honest
get real

only if the accusation is not correct, in your case it is correct.

You are on this occasion, or maybe you got it wrong (again) and have to much pride to admit it.

My chin is high thank you, I will not apologize to someone who accuses me of something I have not done.

then you may continue to troll the boards as you see fit, be assured you will not get another response from me until you apologize to me for lying.