We seem to have a difference of opinion

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  1. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My Fing ID Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Healthcare should be considered infrastructure thus be provided by the government. Private healthcare should obviously be available as it is now, however everyone should have basic healthcare. I don't really know how to portray this correctly. I'm a libertarian in the small 'l', I believe in freedom. I also believe that if you are insane, have cancer, get (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up in a car crash, etc, that you should have access to the best medical care this government can provide. I'd much rather my tax dollars goto healthcare for some idiot who drove into someone while drunk driving and injured themselves than in bombing random idiots in third world countries and paying homeland security to feel up nuns.
     
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    Everyone has access to emergency care and cannot be turned away. Anything beyond that should be up to them. If i'm 20 years old it is not my priority to pay for others to receive health care. When I feel I need it I need to set myself up in a position to pay for it.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True, if hurt or sick you can go to an emergency room or county hospital and they have to treat you no matter if you have the ability to pay or not.
     
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    My Fing ID Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    K. I'm 30. I have some health insurance but I'm not sure how it works. Until I get a real job I refuse to go in because I know that if I were diagnosed with cancer that would be the end of affordable healthcare. God forbid I get diagnosed with something that jobs won't even hire me for like a bad heart. You need to understand that the current system is great if you're healthy, but otherwise it is pure (*)(*)(*)(*). Hell my ex-fiancee almost died of a brain anurism because insurance refused to allow the procedure. It was done anyway and documents were doctored so she wouldn't have to pay for the rest of her life. You can have insurance and still get royally (*)(*)(*)(*)ed under the current system. If basic contract law were enforced I could understand keeping things they way they are, but it's not. Even then all it takes is one sick family member to drag down a lot of people. What do you do when grandma goes senile? Can't rely on the government, so hope you have kids to take care of them. Healthcare isn't just "oh my legs broke you fixed it in 30 minutes," it's a real epic process.
     
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    My Fing ID Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Addition to previous post:

    Two of my friend are contractors. They cannot afford healthcare. It's not even an option. Do you have any idea how much it costs to do anything healthcare related without insurance? It's like student loans; it's more expensive because there is the option to charge more. Now I'm not saying get rid of health insurance; you can't do so constitutionally and in a free nation such a thing should exist, same with student loans. What I am saying though is that the government can and should provide a reasonable option. It may not be the best, but hey that's what the private sector is there for. Health insurance as a means to reasonable care is bull (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    YukonBloamie Banned

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    Is that cost effective? Really? Is that what the statistics show?
     
  8. kilgram

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    If you have a cancer? Have you right to healthcare or not?

    If you have some other cronic illness like asthma? And you need period treatment? Or you have AIDS?

    There are many reasons why is necessary public universal healthcare.
     
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    I agree that the insurance companies need to be redone in a big way. That doesn't mean you scrap the whole system and give it to the government.
     
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    kenrichaed Banned

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    No you don't need universal public healthcare. Regulate the insurance companies to provide better insurance and leave it up to the individual to seek out a insurer he likes and pay for it.

    Subsidize the individual payer if you have too but take the government out of the decision process.
     
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    No, the things are:

    - The government must give services, for that exists the government.

    What is your problem with having a public healthcare service that is universal. And private services for the people that wants to pay for it?

    What is the problem with it?
     

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