We weren't born 'RACISTS'.....

We cannot have a civil conversation on race. Not yet, and not anytime soon. It's hopeless.

 

That's because people would rather lie to themselves than make a stand in public.

 

It's not that simple. There's dozens of reasons. You know it, I know it. It's just a radioactive topic.

 

Intellect? Please don’t make me laugh.
Heart? You have one? Prove it.

To put it bluntly, you ARE trying to excuse your view point. The simple fact you are trying to use statistical information to justify your twisted view shows you are trying to find a way to make it socially acceptable to other people.

The only reason you would make such an effort is because you know it’s not socially acceptable to discriminate and ostracize other people based on the color of their skin. You know it’s wrong, and yet you are trying to establish acceptability for it because you need other people to feel secure in your opinions.

If you truly had no desire to excuse it, you would simple say you hate black people and you don’t care what anyone else has to say about it. The reasons would not matter.

White people depend on the “entitlement” options too, so you’re attacking them with that same argument.

You and other white people keep attacking the integrity of all black people, but the Irish assimilated because they were accepted. People like you will never accept black people no matter how far they get in our society, so why should they ever put down their guard?

You want to know what the difference between the Irish and the African American is? All you have to do is look. I don’t think the Irish would have assimilated so well if they had been born with green skin for example.

If African American people looked like white people, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

Clearly, because you were not born with dark skin.

That’s how absolutely shallow this argument is. But here’s the thing, even if someone could provide you with an explanation that would help you understand, it would still be your CHOICE to not understand.

Don’t pretend you care when you don’t, or waste my time acting like you are open to a discussion on if you are not, because that is exactly why this thing never gets resolved.

There are a lot of factors that go into it, and the statistical information does not paint the whole picture. It’ doesn’t show you how many black people are in jail because most cops are white and target blacks more than whites. It doesn’t show how prejudice our court systems are in handing down sentences. There IS statistical information to show that if a white man commit’s the exact same crime as a black man, the black man is far more punishes for the same crime..

Never mind the fact that white people tend to commit more high brow crime and black people commit more petty crime. Who do you think gets caught more in that case?

If you seriously want to analyze the information, I will provide it, but I’m not going to waste my time on someone who is not open to any view except their own.

Sounds to me like you spend too much time watching TV and not enough time living in the real world.

Yes, I think you’re very jealous, because black people have had a huge impact on our entire culture even though they are in the minority.

The inventor of the gas mask was a black man, did you know that?
The first traffic signal was invented by an African American!
I’m sure even you have eaten a potato chip or 2 in your life, did you know that was invented by George Crumb in 1853?
You want a list? I got lots of them!
What did you contribute to the world besides more bigotry?

Still, even a lot of conservatives watch a lot of sports, and what would that be without all those black people to rake in the big bucks? Yeah, you’re jealous.

I don’t like rap my self, but wow, I can’t imagine a world without black people in music. Especially the women! Where is your singing career going?

Please tell me, what is it like to be you, sitting at home and ignoring all these things going on in the world? Forming your view points out of TV shows designed to be provocative and highlight the worst elements in our lives?

Those “fact” are only used to argument your already predetermined opinion, not to mention they are not entirely accurate or fair. Why are you not preaching to segregate all the white and Hispanic people who depend on those entitlements from the rest of us? That does not change the fact you identify one group based on skin color more than anything else.

Maybe it is because you are so plain and so devoid of anything unique in your appearance or your character that you have never known what it is to be identified by something that shocks people around you? I bet you couldn’t invoke fear in another person to save your own life, let alone know what it’s like to have that effect from just the way you look.

I wonder if your ideal would hold true if you were branded with something that was like the Mark of Cain, would you have still been a good, law abiding citizen? Or would you have turned that anger and frustration into a way of life to live with other’s like you?

I just did.
Never the less, you promote the idea of segregation in your first post, and that is the foundation that shows you believe you are better than black people.

If you truly believed you were “equal” to a black person then you would find a way to live and work with them. The simple fact you don’t want to even try shows you want something better than what they get. You don’t want to drink, eat, or even sit near them. That is what segregation is.

Like I already pointed out, the difference is simple, you cannot identify an Irishman by his appearance, but you sure as heck can an African American, even if he is half white! You don’t have that problem, They do.

Then you cannot claim that entitlements exist only for African Americans or that all African Americans just live off welfare. So what is the point of the entitlement/welfare argument?

My impression is you seem to think we wouldn’t need them if we didn’t have the problems of the black communities. If that’s not your point then what is your point about constantly using that as a reference?

Fine, I feel the need to point out all the flaws in the logic of identifying and alienating people based on the color of their skin. I feel a distinct need to point out the wrong in it and try to show a better way.

If you don’t like black people for whatever reason, fine. If you don’t want to share this world with them, then good luck with that idiotic effort, but don’t try to convince people you are a nice person or that you are trying to do something good for the world, because no matter how you cut it, bigotry is your true trademark.

 

I research all my posts that are more complicated than ‘hello have a nice day’ types. Before I switched majors (after securing a BS/BA) to comparative theology my love was psychology. What that means is that I suffered heavy load of subjects related to psychology ie social science during my undergrad time in school. Additionally, maybe you should not attempt to read so much into so little? I was making an observation not writing a doctoral thesis or dissertation.

You are correct for something other than a racist. However I remain convinced that a racist when one digs down through the layers of civility and such is a hater. Maybe its mild hate, maybe not. Its like the atheist thing. Many claim atheism when in fact they are agnostics. Many racists haters claim the mantel of tradition or 'I am not a real hater' instead of admitting what they really are. I will say I have no crystal ball, and I am sure you are correct at least partly, many 'racists' may not be rabid haters. But that is getting away from the point of my reply. There is something inside all of us that us makes us uneasy or worse about those that are different from us.

Well when I was married I did not share my wife with anyone, ha ha! That said, I respect your right and opinion concerning my ideas. You might want to know that I am racist to a degree (as we all are) that happens to have many black and other friends of color. If I strip away the emotional protection, there is something still there that would not be if the guy was white. I think that even the best most moral and ethical among us have that ‘something’ left and that 'something' is either a hate or dislike for a race that is different than us, or if its not skin color, we call it bigotry. I believe that raciest hating or dislike is equally or more prevalent if the racist is black, because blacks have traditionally have suffered more pain from the minds and hands of whites. Anyway as I said I am just kicking it around a bit, thanks for your input!

Rev A