Welfare recipients to be drug tested

In my opinion, requiring a drug test for access to a social safety net is both an unneccessary and improper use of the police power.

A social safety net should end when it is no longer necessary. Drugs tests do not actually solve anything but only serve to deny and disparage individual liberty through arbritrary command economics and the coercive use of force of a State.

 

Ya know, at first thought this seems like a very good idea,,,right? However think like a Liberal for a moment.
OK,,,You are dirty, and this is your first warning otherwise you get cut off. However we understand how difficult it can be,,so here is a FREE REHAB FOR YOU, AND WE WILL KEEP THE CASH FLOWING WHILE YOU ARE GETTING A MUCH NEEDED REST!

mmmmm, WATCHA THINK?

So now they go to a nice comfy rehab center naturally on our dime, and they have no real concern about stopping they just know they HAVE to go. While there they meet others in the same boat, know what?

They are going to come out of that place knowing exactly how to beat the tests.......

Look around corners, Look under rocks...Liberals at work...

 

Faith? I am anything but religious.

 

You have a medical reason. That's an entirely different scenario. The vast majority of smokers do it for fun. Am I wrong here?

 

Yeah I've heard this many times, it's hilarious. Always coming from a guy with no job and no money. Not referring to the other poster here, but like I said most people don't have epilepsy.

 

What about the general welfare of the taxpayers?

 

More efficient public policy should always engender a positive multiplier effect and could pay for itself; for the general welfare of the taxpaying population.

 

Oh, I do it for fun, too. It just so happens that it is actually good for me. Quite honestly, it has a lot of simple medical uses. I think it should be an OTC medication not very dissimilar from Asprin, or perhaps caffeine.

Except you can overdose on Asprin and caffeine. It's not possible to overdose on marijuana.

 

That's my point though. If it benefits you more than it hurts you then you should be on medical marijuana and therefore this would not affect people like you.

 

What harm does it do that justifies it being illegal?

 

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.htm

 

I think it should be legal if alcohol is legal, but that's a whole other issue.

 

and here is some for you:

http://www.marijuana.com/myths/

Most of the "facts" in your article are refuted by the "facts" in my article?

Which facts are true?

 

Of course not. I met a woman who was a heroin junkie and a school teacher. Being a junkie didn't interfere with her being a teacher because her boyfriend was a dealer and provided her free heroin. She never had a problem.

I'm not opposed to drugs, per se, but I am opposed to supporting people who choose to use drugs to the point they can't work or who simply choose to use drugs and not work.

 

How does your point of view account for a natural rate of unemployment? It seems, to me, that there are simply not enough jobs for everyone, all the time.

How do you distinguish between someone who doesn't want to work and someone who can't command a prevailing, market based wage due to a natural rate of unemployment?

 

And I disagree. It might not be a job your want but there is a job. At one point my daughter was whining she couldn't find a job and my son said, "I've never had anyone come knock on the door and offer me a job." My daughter had a job the next day.

But, it is handy when you're sitting on the curb drinking beer with buddies to say, "I'm part of the natural unemployment. Not my fault."

 

Drug testing Welfare Recipients should have been done years ago.....There are too many Lazy Bastards Sponging off the Goverment.

Most of them are the useless Blacks free-loading off Tax Paying Americans dollars.

It's easy to see it...Next time your in a Wal-Mart check out line. And you see an Over-Weight Black MAMA with 5 or more uncontrollable children running around, with her shopping cart over filled with junk food....Paying with Goverment Food Stamps.
While her man is a skinny, undernourished, crack addict looking low-life. With no clue where he's at.

THESE ARE YOUR TRUE LIBERALS......YAH AMERICA - KEEP SUPPORTING THIS.

 

Your anecdotal evidence is just that. How well did your anecdote work during the Great Depression when it took a New Deal to get people back to work through public sector intervention in private sector markets.

A "natural" unemployment rate exists. Simply using public sector intervention to eliminate a natural unemployment rate could solve many of our problems by providing recourse to an income for being unemployed. It could act as a perpetual economic stimulus and engender a multiplier effect and could pay for itself as a form of return on that investment. We could have a more efficient economy as a result and reduce the need for means tested welfare and end our exorbitantly expensive War on Poverty, which has not actually solved poverty for over thirty years.

Here is some data for comparison and contrast:

Why do you believe we cannot afford to solve a natural rate of unemployment via market friendly means?

 

I tend to see more of them working the cash register than simply free loading off tax payer dollars.

 

An unemployment rate lower than about 3-4% stifles innovation and prevents development. The market needs unemployed workforce to fill positions in new companies that are started and to provide surge labor when other industries need to grow. Without unemployment new industries would have no labor pool to pull from to operate.

 

Wow, your a lot older than I am and I'm seventy. I don't remember the great depression. I'm sure people such as yourself can always find a reason for someone not to have a job and it's never, ever, in any possible way, their responsibility.

So, your dreams of the past are just that, pitiful dreams of the New Deal which actually continued the Great Depression. Liberals have never wanted to let a crisis go to waste.

A natural rate of unemployment? The natural number of people who do not want to work? There were times in my life when I stood on the corner with the rest of the day labor and got work unloading furniture trucks but I got work. Oh, darn, anecdotal, isn't it? Bite me. I found work.

 

How does your point of view account for minimum wage laws which have a similar effect from a labor standpoint concerning a wage amount needed obtain labor market participants?

How does your point of view account for S&P CEO wage ratios which provide anecdotal evidence that does not support your contention. Consider that by eliminating a natural unemployment rate through public sector intervention in the market for labor, companies would be in a similar position of needing to pay an efficiency wage to obtain labor. S&P CEO wages seem to be able to overcome the limitations you describe.

 

We have had a War on Poverty for over thirty years; poverty seems to be everyone's responsibility if they have paid any taxes to fund that war. However, I am not trying to blame individuals for the phenomena of poverty in our republic since it could be said that some forms of poverty are institutional. I am only claiming that being poor is an individual responsibility since it only requires better money management to become less poor or wealthy.

I am not sure what you are referring to concerning dreams since the New Deal used command economics to move the US from a relative third world economy to a relative first world economy. What you are describing had more to do with monetary policy rather than fiscal policy.

A natural rate of unemployment is usually considered to be due to a lack of jobs rather than a lack of labor willing to work for prevailing, market based wages.

I have an anecdote as well from standing in a parking lot and not getting hired. I guess I was not as anecdotally as lucky as you.

 

When a company lures a CEO away from another company, that company suddenly has a vacancy that is filled, either by promoting or by taking from the unemployment pool. If the position is filled by promotion, the previous position is filled by promotion or from the unemployment pool. The process continues until eventually a vacancy is filled from the unemployment pool.

 

Not a lot of people get jobs by standing in a parking lot, unless it is out back of a Home Depot.

You probably would have been more successful filling out applications and handing in resumes.

Work is easy to find, if you are willing to look for it. I have more off-duty work available than I could possibly do. Whenever I want a little extra spending money, I take on a quick side job. I never have difficulty finding one, in fact I have people standing in line waiting for me to take care of something when I decide I have time.

I have to wonder how hard people actually look when they claim there is no work to be found.