Well, Obama literally saved my life, and now he will save it many times.

Had a heart valve repairs open heart surgery, and yesterday got an implanted defibrillator. Which may save my life MANY TIMES, before the battery runs down.

I got ill, and with time, became more and more destitute. So, medicaide gave me open heart surgery. And now has given me a defibrillator device. If I lived in a red state, with a red gov, I would be dead, which is the way most guys here would prefer their state.

 

Good health to you.


Many thousands are now employed thanks to his policies:




http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07...e-obama-economy-posts-massive-jobs-gains.html



Republicans Stunned Into Silence After Obama Economy Posts Massive Jobs Gains

It was just a month ago that Republicans were telling voters that the economy is terrible, but after it was announced that the economy created 287,000 new jobs, the GOP reaction has been silence.





Naturally, the Republican prefer to talk about emails so long as the conversation does not involve theirs.

 

When you get to feeling better let's have a heated debate about something. I tend to lean to the right but I have always been in favor of universal healthcare.

 

Glad to hear. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Don't worry, AICDs can be replaced when the battery starts running low. The initial implantation is the hardest because they have to thread the leads into the heart.

 

I too am on Medicare plus CA Medi-cal.

Look, taxpayers saved our lives.

I spent most of my life with zero insurance. Early on companies were not paying for insurance. Back then we heard of life insurance so at age 19 I bought an insurance policy.

But make no mistake, the cost of over $250,000 to handle my surgery came from the pockets of the public.

I of course thank them for the payments. But who should I be thanking?

The rich pay most of the taxes.

So, I thank the rich.

 

I am feeling MUCH better.Doc gave me PERCOSET. A few. I have some hum dingers going on the cops being heroes under bad circumstances, and right wingers saying cops are only good as donut digerters.

 

We would not need universal health care if the government and insurance companies stepped back and stopped running up prices. It may be too late now to cut back costs. But when a surgeon in a hospital, takes just a few hrs to fix the heart, why does that need to cost a quarter million dollars?

I spent 6 days in the hospital and just that and the surgeon bill plus the support he needed, ran up a quarter million dollars.

I really appreciate the work done by the surgeon and the team, but for crying out loud, but for government and insurance, the surgeon bill would have been far less expensive.

I don't know how to get this across clearly but if you show them a huge pot of cash, they will take all they can.

The pot of cash is both government plus insurance.

There was a better way. We need to be so involved with cost we as consumers can hold down prices.

They have us by our scrotum is how I see this.

Take the common automobile. If you give a darn what the body shop is paid by the insurance company, you are rare.

Medicine is easier to get into the high cost only because you care more about your life than your car.

 

What you say is very true of CApitalism. There must be safeguards for consumers, amongst others.

 

All this means nothing when you can't get you next breath.

 

I know, but isn't the issue at the heart of the problem COST?

The question boils down to pure cost.

Not so much how it is paid, but the very extreme cost.

Some drivers are tort costs

Super high insurance premiums paid by doctors, etc.

Extra staff to process insurance papers, etc.

 

No, it has been proven MaNY times that malpractice insurance is quite reasonable, if you are a cautious doctor.

 

You are correct. Medical cost are way too high. The question is how to reduce them?

 

The rich pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes.
But ordinary people pay the highest percentage of the revenue raised by taxes, because there's a lot more ordinary people than rich people.
You made your operation possible - or your taxes did, anyway.

 

I've seen some of the "massive gains" around where I live. There is a marine engineering place just up the road where they manufacture marine products (duh). Four out of six of the men that work there work on-call and then only four hours a day. You can't live securely working like that. They need full-time, secure jobs.

 

Actually Obama had nothing to do with it. You need to thank Harry S Truman and Lyndon Baines Johnson for the Medicaid/Medicaid amendment to Social Security. Truman started the process and the act was finally signed into law more than 50 years ago...

http://www.lbjlibrary.org/press/the-1965-medicare-amendment-to-the-social-security-act

 

expanded medicaide was what made me qualified

 

There are bundles and bundles of taxes.

The rich pay far and far away the most income taxes. 47 percent, in approximate figures, pay no income taxes. Defined as taxes aimed at taxing income. Such as that is your tax bracket.

This comes from Medicare.

https://www.medicare.gov/about-us/how-medicare-is-funded/medicare-funding.html

Notice the term "payroll taxes." Those are not what is called income taxes. They mean the fixed tax rate up to a point on earnings. It may seem a difference and no distinction but what are called income taxes are found by looking up the income and applying that tax rate less all deductions.

Payroll tax is a gross tax, but also up to limits.

So, what is payroll? And do all Americans qualify as being on the payroll?

For one thing, children are not on the payroll. Non workers are no part of the payroll. The spouses at home are non workers for tax purposes.

What we see are enormous numbers of excluded people not paying taxes.

They also tax SS benefits. So those that retired still take a hit. There are presently 48 million collecting of more than 300 million counted citizens. Clearly that also means most are not collecting. It is helping a minority of people. About 16% are vested and they are the fortunate few whose medical bills are partly paid for.

Get the partly paid for part. They pay a monthly premium and about 30 insurance firms pay hospitals and doctors on behalf of the government.

It is getting pretty complicated isn't it?

Now comes the states. They can also be on the hook for doctors bills. My state of CA for instance pays to the Feds premium charges along with more of the bill to the doctors, labs, hospitals and so forth. So revenues to the states are also a factor but shall not be examined to the penny by this poster right now.

So, the major point made is that most taxpayers do not pay.

Due to restrictions, the Obama plans also miss perhaps as many people as are covered for the old ages being covered.

In short, his so called plan misses millions of people.

Next my sort of final analysis is that when working, most of us were paid by the rich. Ergo, it was with their cash we had the cash to turn into the government in the first place.

The poor do not support the poor.

The taxes paid by the middle class are vastly over estimated by Democrats.

Romney if you recall was ridiculed by the Democrats when he told just the plain unfettered truth as to whom pays taxes.

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If you or I were 30, we would be sol. Those people are excluded.

 

Claiming Medicaid/obamacare is good because it saved one person is like saying guns are bad because of one homicide. Its a terrible idea to make public policy based on anecdotal evidence.

 

You should probably not link the surgeon and the hospital. The Surgeon earns his money but the hospital costs are usually pretty hard to defend.

 

I should drag out those bills to recall who got the most. The hospital stay was 6 days. The surgeon spent as I recall maybe 3 hrs. And never showed his face at the hospital again unless when I was out of it.

 

under Bush they would not have had jobs at all

 

so you became destitute because you were I'll and couldn't work? In that case you would have been treated for free at a subsidized hospital anyway and likely eligible for medicaid anyway regardless of the ppaca. Medicaid reimburses the doctors and hospitals that saved your life less than a plumber or electrician is paid for emergency service. They the doctors and surgeons do it because they value life, yet Obama accuses doctors and surgeons of being greedy people that perform higher priced surgery and treatments , not for their patients but so that they can line their pockets. Good for you and your medicaid many paying for their worthless insurance couldn't have received treatment unless their deductibles and co payments were met. I am glad you received the treatment you do, although it be paid for by taxpayers that must pay more for virtually worthless insurance.

 

They then should get off their butts and educate themselves. With higher level skills, there are plenty of jobs. Manufacturing/line jobs have been declining for YEARS because of automation and technology improvements. However, higher skilled jobs are flourishing...but they require some personal responsibility to get re-trained/re-educated.

Honestly, i'm so sick of blue collar workers sitting around whining. Its no different from when computer technology was introduced....intelligent people didn't sit around and whine about manual processing jobs disappearing, they learned how to use or fix computers.

There are a TON of jobs out there...the company has hired 10 engineers and 12 designers just this quarter. So manufacturing guys can go down to their local community college and get a CAD/CAE degree.

Or you can sit around and whine about how you're not getting paid for a job that can be done 1000 times more efficiently with process improvements or automation.

Tiresome....

 

Perhaps you should. You will be shocked!

 

No, the hoops that Republicans require Dems add to safety net made me ineligible. As for ER visits, they STABILIZE, they don't give ongoing care.

Obama just called for adding a public op Soon, it will be single payer.