Well the Supreme Court allow the Trump Bump Stock ban?

Lightning links dimensions are found online. Easy to make with hand tools. Both AR and m16 bolts are legal to own and have install Ed. They can be obtained online. The lightning link works w with standard AR bolts or m16 bolts in platforms using semi auto trigger groups. One seen installed, it is easy to visualize how they work; making it easy enough to fabricate a variation. but, wh, when bump fire is easy to do on any semi auto without any device at all.

 

In my youth in Ireland, I learned how to make black powder; dirty stuff though. Also, learned how to make primers using strike anywhere matches. Our ammo was dirty, didn’t take long to foul a semi auto, but considering the context, work well enough for the intended purpose; harvesting security forces weapons and ammo.every child was encouraged to snatch an run; see movie ‘72’ for a relatively accurate depiction. BTW the IRA had access to AR18s (look them up. They were flawed variations of the platform… full auto only with folding stocks ( a weak point that would frequently break at the hinge.

 

Bump fire works with any semi auto. Good luck getting those banned ( won’t happen). So, anyone learning the simple technique can learn ho w to simulate full auto on demand. I have been doing it for over 50 years.

 

On demand bumpfire I easy to do; help send a lot of ammo downrange…. Expensive ad not good for much other than suppressive fire. I am far more deadly with precision aimed semi auto fire.

 

So ban shoestrings? Oh wait they already claimed that then had to go back on it. Never mind.

 

The question before the court is the ATFs administrative reinterpretation of the term 'machine gun' to encompass bump stocks.
That terms was defined by congress and thus can only be re-defined by congress.

The crux of the biscuit is the term "single function of the trigger".
Even with a bump stock, the gun only fires one round with a "single function of the trigger" - thus, it is not a machine gun.

Your version of sanity aside, there's about 500,000 of them outther, right now.

Your perception of need means.... exactly squat.

Your interpretation of Heller/Bruen means... exactly squat.

 

Belt loops?
Rubber bands?
Shoe strings?
Anyone large enough to effectively fire an AR15 can be taught to 'bump stock" one in about 30 seconds, using just his pants pockets.

 

"All bearable arms".
Sorry.... no.

 

The ATF had on its books, in 2006, >391,000 privately owned machineguns; as none of these firearms have been used in a crime, they must all have been used for traditionally lawful purposes.
https://oig.justice.gov/reports/ATF/e0706/back.htm
Under Caetano, the threshold for in "in common use" is somewhere around 20,000
Also under Caetano, any weapons "in common use" cannot be "unusual" and therefore Heller's conjunctive "dangerous and unusual" cannot apply.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/14-10078

Thus, machineguns qualify as :in common use" and as such their ownership and use fall under the protection of the 2nd.

The regulations own the transfer and possession of a machinegun, unquestionably, fail the test laid out in Bruen, and therefore are, most certainly, infringements.

 

weapons used commonly by civilian law enforcement should meet the Heller test

 

Bruen is just wrong. It puts judges in the position of having to be historians, most of whom are not experts on history, and history is dubious on many levels, and some judges are speaking out about Bruen, that it's unworkable. these right wingers on the court are out of their f*cking minds.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...ges-find-supreme-courts-bruen-test-unworkable

 

It's possible to make a nuclear device to fit in a backpack, thus 'bearable', so...... yes. (that's a theoretical statement, I realize there are nuke regulations).

You see, the problem is the second amendment, it was written when muskets were the firearm that were 'common'.

It really needs to be updated.

 

That's not an argument.

Everything on an internet debate forum means squat. We're just anonymous folks pounding on keyboards to others we do not know, nor care about.

Thanks for the meaningless point

Got any other brilliant remarks?

 

No, a machine gun is made to kill. A good shooter can defend himself with a single shot. And if you think that at least a gun is necessesary (as more or less 1% of adults do, 99% not and they survive) it's your damn responsibilty to be a damn good shooter.

 

Your opinion does not matter.
And your response does nothing to address, much less negate, what I said.
I am forced to accept your concession.

 

Are you actually, or do you just choose to be, ignorant of the court's definition of "bearable arms"?
Either way, your response does nothing to address, much less negate, what I said.
I am forced to accept your concession.

 

It is.
Your opinion has exactly -zero- bearing on the meanings of terms used by the court;
Thus, squat.
Beyond that...
Your response does nothing to address, much less negate, what I said.
I am forced to accept your concession.

 

Um...
Yeah.
Thanks.

 

what is wrong is any FEDERAL gun control laws.

now when you start applying Bruen and the second to STATE laws, you have a colorable argument that some of the laws would've clearly passed muster with the founders BEFORE the adoption of the fourteenth amendment. the problem is this-the federal government NEVER had any proper gun control power involving private citizens, yet FDR and his Democrat lackeys ignored that. Now with the incorporation through McDonald, some valid police powers are going to get axed through McDonald, Heller and Bruen. one thing is for sure, any firearm that civilian law enforcement use in any measurable numbers, has to be protected under Heller. So the wet dreams of the democrats to ban semi auto rifles (and even hand held machine guns) have to be squashed by the Supreme Court. Now feel good crap like STATE MANDATED universal background checks or even established concepts such as shall issue CCW permits that might have never been in danger, is now on the chopping block due to the idiocy of democrats in places such as NY

 

I laugh at the lack of understanding of firearms use

now a crew served machine gun mainly is designed to inflict casualties and to suppress movement and/or to control an area. Hand held machine guns, when operated in fully automatic mode are mainly designed to suppress movement or to break contact. WTF do you think the purpose of a snub nosed revolver is or a small semi automatic handgun like my normal carry piece-a SIG 365?

 

If civilian police use it-it is in common use for lawful purposes and is protected.

 

How the f*ck could I get 60 years old without ever needing a machine gun to control an area or to suppress movements? Even our "Reichsbürger" want to reach their goal (restitution of the Kaiserreich) with normal non-automatic rifles.
For sure, you can describe situations (with a lot of fantasy), in which your scenario would come true. But I cannot imagine such awesome situations if not war.

 

you want to ban something when in the last 75 years, there is not a single case of a privately owned legal machine gun in the hands of a private citizen, that has ever been used in a crime of violence. Now why would anyone with a brain want to ban something that has ZERO incidents of violent criminal misuse in all those years?

 

First I want to understand you and your gun friends are obsessed with that, but I can't.

Well, let's discuss the US laws for some country in Europe. You will teach us the freedom that comes with it, right?

 

this thread is about a stupid law that violates our constitution, and the people who want to further violate our constitution. It's not about people who live in countries that don't trust citizens to own firearms. No one who supports our proper constitutional rights and oppose the constant attacks upon that right by mainly US Democrats, really care much what euro-nanny states do or their laws. Yes, some of us are "obsessed with Freedom". hundreds of thousands of American soldiers died trying to keep Europe free so we tend to take that concept rather seriously