We're all going to die!

People knowledgeable and experienced in survival skills are more likely to survive than than who believe "ignorance is bliss".

 

Disagreed. Did you see how fast the Democrats dismantled our military after 1991? Both the USAF and Army had to recall a bunch of people to fight Desert Storm then kicked them all back to the street afterward.

 

At my age I doubt I would last long, have fun...

 

And by the time that happened, the Soviet Union ceased to exist entirely.

What threat was there in the world after then Soviet Union collapsed that justified the expense of our military at the same level as it had been pre-91?

 

That’s another topic. The first one was your dissing books as being able to supple information. A good field guide for plant identification would teach people what is edible and what is not. A survival manual would teach them how to build small animal and fish snares and traps.

 

true, but the Russian military continued to exist.

Dude, you’re moving the goalposts. Agreed the Russian threat diminished at the time because of the chaos in Russia. However, that wasn’t what we were discussing.

 

I’m not moving any goalposts. Against the Soviets, after about 1985, there’s no chance that NATO loses the conventional fight.

 

The thread title is "We are all going to die."

That is the one universal truth about all people.

 

Sounds like the script of the Day After.

 

True equality

 

Here's a little read on the subject.

http://matrixblackrock.com/Assets/NSO/NSO.pdf

http://matrixblackrock.com/Assets/NSO/NHB.pdf

 

Actually, the Little John had a relatively short life, being retired in 1969. From 1962 until 1991 the main weapon system the the launching of tactical nukes was the Pershing series.

But a great many scenarios involved commanders possibly deciding to use tactical nukes. But at least as NATO doctrine, it was as a retaliation not as an instigation. Even in NATO few doubted that the Warsaw pact could be held back conventionally, the only concern was how long it would take and how many lives would be lost. Even the most pessimistic plans had the lines stabilizing well short of the French-German border.

The concern however on the other side was what the USSR might do. If NATO successfully struck back and retook West Germany, there would be little left to prevent them from taking over most of the Warsaw pact, if not entering the Soviet Union itself.

This is why most novels written by experts in this field (Sir John Hackett, Tom Clancy), and popular movies like Threads and The Day After generally had either a larger exchange or threat of exchange start after a single use. The Third World War is somewhat unique, in which after nuking Birmingham England as a threat to have NATO stop their attacks, the US and UK both respond by nuking Minsk. Which leads to the collapse of the Soviet Union from within, knowing what would happen if they did not stop the belligerence of their government.

Red Storm Rising ends similarly, but without the nuclear exchange. But the Soviet Government collapsing from within when some high members realize that the highest members are about to launch such an attack.

 

Bastard lol we're all going to die again I forgot that for 10 minutes then I started reading

 

The truth of what was going on behind the scenes since the '70's is pretty juicy as well.....


http://www.tldm.org/News9/RussianInfluenceOnMideast.htm

 

You do know don't you that this was THIRTY TWO YEARS ago when there were something like three times as many nuclear weapons available for use in the world than we have today.

 

Former Atheist Mellen Thomas Benedict was shown some truly encouraging information on this topic.


https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

 

Former Atheist Howard Storm was also given encouraging information related to the future of humanity.....

https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a04

 

The scenario doesn't change just the effects are scaled

What I took away from this is nuclear war would be a blip and not the end of the world scenario Hollywood and media has force fed us me entire lifetime

 

The scenario is not even a remotely realistic one. But it follows the "Hollywood scenario" of a massive nuclear war occurring over the course of mere hours with each side launching thousands of nuclear weapons at each other simply based on detecting the other side launching missiles.

But in reality neither the U.S. or Soviet Union (Russia) ever had a true "launch on warning" capability in place or "launch on warning" policy. This is why both the U.S. and Soviets spent billions trying to make their nuclear forces more survivable including mobile ICBMS, extra hardening of missile silos, et cetera. Because each side fully intended to "ride out" a nuclear first strike then very carefully determine how to retaliate.

If you have a policy of "launch on warning" there is no need to spend the money and stress over your ICBMs being vulnerable. You wouldn't even need to put them in silos. You might as well have then standing in the open air ready to launch.

In reality, a nuclear war might well stretch out over days, weeks, and even months.

 

Goofy thread.

 

But it would have the same effect

And I'm just a little skeptical of your apparent idea that NORAD was constructed for no reason whatsoever.

 

It had a purpose before satellites, not so much anymore.

 

NORAD was constructed to give an early warning of an attack. But not to enable the U.S. to launch its missiles on warning. Which probably isn't possible anyway.

 

I always thought it would be interesting to write a post Nuclear war novel in which the world survives largely intact. The Ghost in the Shell stories seem to do that, does anyone know of any others?

 

Why would that be impossible, or even difficult? Most of those missiles could launch in less than 15 minutes, which NORAD could give even more than.