We're Not Ready To Say Goodbye To War Just Yet.

We're Not Ready To Say Goodbye To War Just Yet
By JAG
October 14, 2021


"Only the dead have seen an end to war."__Plato (and others) And some 6000 years
of human history says it's true.


Then way out there on War's extreme edge, we have: "You talk of food. I have no
taste for food. What I really crave is slaughter and blood and the choking groans
of men."__Achilles, The Iliad, 19:250-260 That attitude offers no hope to humanity,
but the Lord Jesus does. He says: "blessed are the peacemakers for they will be
called children of God." And the great Apostle Paul takes up this theme and says,
"If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." (Romans
12:1 But sometimes it doesn't depend on you, and sometimes it's not possible.


Badd Mann had just murdered two bank tellers and he was now pointing his pistol
at three police officers who had already yelled out "Drop your gun" two times. Badd
Mann screamed back, "I will not drop my gun." How do you live in peace with the
Badd Mann's of this world?


Pacifism (violence is immoral under all circumstances) reduces to "Don't use violence
to stop Badd Mann, rather allow Badd Mann to murder as many innocent humans as
necessary to satiate his blood lust for cold blooded murder. Why so? "Because we've

got to protect our No Violence Under Any Circumstances Principle, no matter how many
innocent humans are murdered by the Badd Mann's of this world."__John Weak Pacifist


Pacifists can't get elected to office ~ voters tends to dislike being murdered and they
generally view pacifists as societal curiosities unworthy of holding leadership positions.
Who will protect their loved ones from Badd Mann? They know pacifists will not.


By the way, do you think Jesus was a pacifist?


"Jesus said, My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent
my arrest by the Jewish leaders." John 18:36


Add this: The Lord Jesus never disagreed with His Father. So when His Father commanded
Joshua to take the whole army and go up and attack Ai (Joshua 8:1), the Lord Jesus was
in full agreement with that command, right?


The pacifists do not take Romans 13:1-7 seriously. It says God has established governments
and given them the power of the sword to enforce good laws with morally justified violence. The
police shot and killed Badd Mann inside the bank, and Romans 13:1-7 teaches they did what
was good and right when they killed him. Out there in the world there are a lot of evil men afoot
that must be stopped by police and soldiers carrying loaded guns.


Over 291,000 Americans soldiers (many of them Christians) suffered and died in World War 2,
to protect, with the edge of the bloody sword, good people from being killed or enslaved by
Nazism. The Good Fighters won World War 2 through death and suffering. We too can do the
same thing, in principle, when called upon, to defend the Good People in the world from being
murdered or enslaved by evil tyrants (like Hitler). The Lord Jesus laid down His life for us at
Calvary. He went straight into the pain to save us from Death and His great self-sacrifice there
on The Cross paid for our sins and gave us Eternal Life. We shall never die (John 11:25-26).
We humans greatly admire this kind of fighting selfless heroics. We call it True Love and we
write big and bold on our Christian battle flags: "THE LORD IS A WARRIOR" EXODUS 15:3

I just love Christianity. Suffering makes us stronger (Rom. 5:3-4). Death
takes us home to be with the Lord ~ absent from the body is to be at
home with the Lord (no soul sleep) 2 Cor.5:6,8 Philippians 1:21-24


And we fight wars knowing:
~ God determines the results of battles
~ God determines the day of our death and how we die
~ We want to live, but when our time comes, we know "to die is gain" Philippians 1:21
I want God:
~ to be pleased with me
~ to be impressed with me
~ to be proud of me
Faith pleases God ("Have faith in God"__The Lord Jesus)
Courage pleases God (God to Joshua: "Be strong and very courageous")


We Christians fight just wars to defend The Good and we go to it with a glad
heart determined to win. We strongly desire peace, but if evil men demand
war so they can institutionalize tyranny, we'll be there. We'll show up with
swords.


And doing that glorifies God.


"Greater love has no one than this: to lay down his life for one's friends"__The
Lord Jesus (John 15:13)


"Then outspake brave Horatius
the Captain Of The Gate
Every man upon this Earth
must die soon or late
And what better way to die
than fighting fearful odds
For the ashes of our fathers
and the glories of our God"
__Macaulay
(edited and slightly Christianized by JAG


The principle of justified violent force to stop evil men is a strong clear Biblical
principle: Exodus 15:1 "The Lord is a Warrior."


Exodus 15:1 is as real as it gets.


Just ask Pharaoh and his army if they think "The Lord is a Warrior"?
"The water flowed back and covered the chariots and horsemen ~ the entire army

of Pharaoh that followed the Israelites into the sea. Not one of them survived."
Exodus 14:28


Then ask those 185,000 dead Assyrian soldiers if they think "The Lord is a Warrior"?
"When the people got up the next morning ~ there were all the dead bodies." Isa. 37:36



Then ask all those who have experienced, in Gehenna, the perish of John 3:16, if they
think "The Lord is a Warrior"?
"Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is
able to destroy both soul and body in Hell." __The Lord Jesus (Matt. 10:2

The world has some serious problems with a lot of violence here in the 21st century.
The Wikipedia article titled "Homicide", reports that in one recent year the total number
of global murders was 468,000.


Nations today, 21st century, are heavily armed. The United States recently built the world's
deadliest and most advanced war machine ~ the enormous 25 deck aircraft carrier the USS
Gerald Ford ($13 billion). Guns galore. Good. We need "The Gerald." Nobody knows who or
what may rise to power in say communist China or Russia in the years ahead or what they
will decide to do with their war machines to "make the world better." (think Hitler).


The USS Gerald Ford was designed to kill a lot of humans and to kill them quickly ~ and "Peace
Through Strength" does not change that fact. The total firepower of the world's military machines,
if unleashed and unrestrained for 48 hours, could kill billions of people and turn huge swaths of
the earth into vast wastelands.


Here is the good news: God has a Plan to gradually and incrementally change the world so that
war machines like "The Gerald" will no longer be needed. Life is very much more enjoyable when
people are not killing people.


So how does God plan to get this accomplished? He is going to change hearts and minds through
Holy Spirit blessed simple gospel preaching, starting with John 3:3's you must be born again,
followed by John 3:16's you must believe in Jesus as your Savior, followed by Gal.5:22-23's you
must allow the Holy Spirit to produce His fruits in your life: love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. If we had a world like this, then we wouldn't
need "The Gerald." And God is going to make it happen. God Almighty is going to Christianize the
world and He is going to get it done BEFORE the Lord Jesus returns. The Lord Jesus Himself put it
this way: "ALL authority in heaven and on Earth has been given to Me. THEREFORE go and make
disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I
am with you always, to the very end of the age." Matthew 28:18-20


There will come a time when war will be no more. "There will be no more death, or morning or crying
or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." Rev. 21:4


"I am making everything new."__The Lord Jesus Rev. 21:5


The Power Of The Cross, and the Power Of The Resurrection, and The Power Of The Exaltation (being
NOW seated at the right hand of the Father) has NOW already defeated Satan, Sin, and Death and the
Lord Jesus is NOW King Of Kings and Lord Of Lords and is NOW reigning as The King and He will
gradually and incrementally put all His enemies under His feet (1 Cor. 15:25). And He will do this through
the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit who empowers His Christian Church to successfully carry out
His Great Commission command to go and make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:16-20.)


So? So war will one day go the way of VHS tapes and flip phones. And while we wait for that day to arrive,
we pray for peace, preach John 3:16, and prepare for war ~ armed to the teeth.


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Agree?
Disagree?
Thoughts?


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Gods designs, power, labor, works, and network is vast and mighty, spanning the realms. And I luxuriate in my nothingness, my vanity laid flat. Yet I occupy a place. So shall I bend my knees, bow my head and dwell under his mercy in peace. To fight, I have fought too much. Greater is patience and faith. God has not torn me asunder, but mended me and stood me up. He has laid himself low, even his very life to reach me and lift me up. Like a Mother he has washed me and blessed my head as a Father. So forth I go, new in heart to the battle of tears. There is no meanness in his justice, nor variance in his measure. Still one must establish his standards in faith and love. It is good that he is everlasting, else our might and strength grow rigid and fall forever away, and hope go out like a light. To love and serve is better.

 

As long as humans exist, there will be war. As long as religion exists, there will be war...

 

I think in this post you have set a new bar for word count/verbosity.

My comment. God allows humans free will to do bad things. Why should society seek to take away the free will granted by God.

Jesus said, "Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."

BTW, Exodus is not "as real as it gets." Exodus never happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

The consensus of modern scholars is that the Torah does not give an accurate account of the origins of the Israelites, who appear instead to have formed as an entity in the central highlands of Canaan in the late second millennium BCE from the indigenous Canaanite culture.

 

Nice. Good. Poetic too.
Thanks.

God bless.

JAG

 

Gonna be that way for the foreseeable future, that is for mega millenniums yet ahead.
BUT . . . war will eventually come to an end.
See Rev 21:3-5

Best

JAG

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It is said that before anything existed, war began in heaven when Lucifer was denied his lust for Gods glory in Gods plan for the creation and salvation of man. He has been at war with God ever since.

 

I agree that humanity is not ready for the end of warfare. I think one day we will be, but we are not there yet.

I would like to think that we here in western nations only fight for good causes, but that simply isn't true. It might be presented that way by politicians, but nearly every war we have fought has been ultimately for selfish ulterior motives for the profit of elites. I think we fought WW2 for good reasons, but it had its roots in WW1, which was fought for the most ridiculous of reasons, and was a war that should have never happened. It was elites going to war for their pride and wealth, not to confront evil.

when wars happen, ultimately a nation has to defend itself, even if it was started for ultimately BS reasons. But I have a hard time thinking of any war that wasn't ultimately started because of greed and lust for wealth and power. Many seem to come close, but if you dig a little deeper, the real reasons for fighting become clear. Afghanistan and Iraq, for instance. We used 9/11 as an excuse to get involved in 2 "forever wars" that absolutely did not need to happen, and certainly not be dragged on for as long as they did. All it did was cost lives, with ultimately no gain except in the bank accounts of the military industrial complex.

War is complicated, dirty, and I hope eventually entirely unnecessary.

 

I read your post carefully.
My view: You made very reasonable points.
Agreed. WW2 was fought for good reasons.
I hold Mr. Lincoln's War to save the Union was fought for good reasons.
I hold that the American Revolutionary War was fought for good reasons.

We, you and I, might agree on that up there?

But I expect now we will part company on this coming up:

I am a Reformed Presbyterian with a strong emphasis on
the Sovereignty of God. This means that I hold that God has
a Plan, that can only be understood by Him, and that, that Plan
includes all the bad choices men make (without God infringing
on their Free Will) . What am I getting at? This: God has a long term
good Plan for The Middle East and those two "forever wars" were
a part of that Plan. God, in His Moral Will, might not have agreed
with those two "forever wars" but God in His Sovereign Will, obviously
DID agree with them ~ because He predestined them to occur. To
both occur and to end when they did end. He may, in a few years
get another "forever war" going in Afghanistan. I understand fully that
all this will probably not make any sense to you.

If you ever get interested in finding out the Biblical and philosophical
reasons undergirding Predestination, give this classic a read:




Best Regards.

JAG


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Yes.
In principle, yes.

JAG


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im not sure I quite agree with predestination, but I do agree that those wars are part of a process that humanity has to go through to become something better. I’ll look into that book, it looks interesting, thanks.

 

You're welcome.
Here it is in PDF free
The print is small but you can enlarge it.
The Reformed Doctrine Of Predestination (monergism.com)

There are other web pages that have the entire text free.
It is a very popular book.

Best Regards.

JAG

 

War
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again

 

A classic and very human sounding fight for power and domination. One would think a God could come up with a better plan.

 

A better plan than life, immortality, and should one so choose, an inheritance in all that God possesses?

 

Wars are the culmination of evil, but if people repented and prayed God would work their hearts and change them, and there would be no wars. But they're not, so 2022 will be the year of wars. WWIII will start when Israel bombs Iran's nuclear facilities - something Sec. of State Blinken gave them permission to do last week.

According to the Greek Saints, and they have been very accurate, the reason we're starting WWIII is because the Islamic nations are uniting and forming their own currency and it will destroy the American dollar.

I did know that Erdogan has been trying to unite all the Islamic nations to form a military force like Nato - especially the nations in the Far East. I didn't know though about the currency - although Vladimir Putin has been warning about it because of the sanctions and the affect they're having on certain countries in the ME.

 

Yes. A God should do better.

 

The better is ours to do than the failings we sow. And the more is the fruit of his mercy and grace.

 

He made us. He is responsible for us.

 

Of course, there is the other view that was expressed by Desiderius Erasmus of Rotterdam during his famous debate with Martin Luther in 1524-25 on the subject of free will vs. predestination that you can get a glance at here (feel free to contribute your own thoughts, if you like):

Erasmus and Luther, Free vs. Unfree Will
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/erasmus-and-luther-free-vs-unfree-will.593173/

As we can see in this thread, the subject that Erasmus and Luther debated 500 years ago is still being contested today.

 

War is just another job humans implore to kill the boredom of existence...

 

So are our Parents. But not for the wrong we choose to do.

 

Our parents didn't create us with complete control over or knowledge of what and who we would become.

It is fitting though that a religion holds it's God not responsible for his creation, and also says there is a way for you to not take responsibility for your own actions as well, through a violent blood sacrifice.

I wonder what sort of violence God requires of himself and done to whom, in order for him to rationalize fleeing his own personal responsibility.

 

Not if you believe in free will.

If you believe in the free will of Man (and God, for that matter) then we are responsible for ourselves.

 

Thanks for the link and for the comment.

It appears, from glancing at the news head lines, that there is
always going to be "the other view" on just about everything.

One could, I guess, find at least one (1) "philosopher" that would
make an argument for everything on The List Of The Absurd, eg
Jeffery Dahmer, in a sense, argued in support of cannibalism.

I've read serious articles on the nutritional value of eating yard
dirt.

There are those who argue in favor of Bestiality.

And in favor of necrophilia.

(Shudder)

Hitler had intellectuals arguing in favor of ideological Nazism.

Man is a warrior species and that fact will play on out until
Christendom finally Christianizes the world as per
Matthew 28:16-20 How long will this take? Mega-millenniums.
But it will get done ~ Revelation 21:3-5 says it will get done.

Until that happens, "Only the dead have seen an end to war."

Best Regards,

JAG

PS
The Power of The Cross.
The Power of The Resurrection.
The Power of The Exaltation (Jesus being now seated at the right hand
of the Sovereign God). . . wins The War For The World.


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