Wesley Clark on Foreign Policy and the future.

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Wesley Clark is...

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  1. PropagandaMachine

    PropagandaMachine New Member

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    Complete article:
    General Wesley Clark calls for mass movement to fight oil-military complex
    Although its mostly warning about how we can't rely on oil forever and how we need to start looking to alternative sources now because otherwise our foreign policy will be too expensive and brutal to maintain, I thought this excerpt was interesting. Some of you on here claim that
    the rise of the far-right and Islamofascism are not parallel movements and are not a direct result of the far reaching influence of the other, but he asserts that they are with tis quote, although he thinks that those labels and identities are are simply veils for the true cause of the conflict which is oil resources...
    He then backs up his theory that our reliance on oil is something we don't have the economic means to maintain with these numbers:
    Again, here is the full article: http://dailycloudt.com/voice/419/ge...r-mass-movement-to-fight-oil-military-complex

    So, do you agree with Wesley Clark on anything he's said? For the most part I think he's right. I think we've become trapped into a cripplingly expensive foreign policy by our reliance on oil, but that is not the only reason. I think in general we've come to believe that our aggressive foreign policy is "the bigger the safer" and the western world has come to heavily rely on us militarily as well as for other kinds of support. I would not go so far to say the US is imperialist, but I think the US and the EU together, with the help reinforcement of NATO and by getting the rest of the world submit to International Law under a UN that promotes certain very western values, has created a hegemonic coalition and as it slowly declines we start to feel very vulnerable.

    What's your opinion though?
     
  2. Professor Peabody

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    (Left to Right) Hashim Thaci, UCK leader; Bernard Kouchner UN Administrator of Kosovo Gen. Sir Mike Jackson KFOR Commander, Agim Ceku, commander of UCK Gen. Wesley Clarck, NATO commander, October 1999

    Nice bunch of pals Clark was hanging around with. Why indeed would anyone believe Clark?

     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Questerr Banned

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    Huh. Look at that. The Rightwing doesn't like Clark because he "palled around" with bad guys during the Kosovo War.

    I can only assume that you guys opposed Bush in 2000 and 2004 because his Vice President and SecDef "palled around" with Saddam while Saddam was murdering his own people.

    Am I right?
     
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    Oh you mean THAT Wesley Clark. You know the one who was fired by Colin Powell for "incompetence".

    British Gen. Michael Jackson rightly refused Clark’s order to attack Russian troops moving on the Pristina airport in Kosovo. At the time, Clark was Supreme NATO Commander and Jackson leader of all ground forces in the region.

    “I won’t start World War III for you, sir,” snorted the tough British commander. When word of Clark’s instability reached Washington, even Secretary of Defense Bill Cohen, managed to have the “moxie” to call Clark home early and “retire” him from the Army. No less than Secretary of State Colin Powell, former Army Chief of Staff, confirmed Clark had been “fired.” So we can all count ourselves lucky that the megalomaniac general has now left the political stage. Hopefully, for good.
     
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    Oh you mean THAT Wesley Clark. You know the one who was fired by Colin Powell for "incompetence".

    British Gen. Michael Jackson rightly refused Clark’s order to attack Russian troops moving on the Pristina airport in Kosovo. At the time, Clark was Supreme NATO Commander and Jackson leader of all ground forces in the region.

    “I won’t start World War III for you, sir,” snorted the tough British commander. When word of Clark’s instability reached Washington, even Secretary of Defense Bill Cohen, managed to have the “moxie” to call Clark home early and “retire” him from the Army. No less than Secretary of State Colin Powell, former Army Chief of Staff, confirmed Clark had been “fired.” So we can all count ourselves lucky that the megalomaniac general has now left the political stage. Hopefully, for good.
     
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    A LIB fool who lied about "working his way" through West Point. A failed military commander. A loser politically. Did I mention he's a LIB?
     
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    So he wasn't Valedictorian of his class at West Point?
     
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    He was awarded the Bronze Star.
    He was awarded the Silver Star.
    He served our nation for 34 years.
    He deserves your respect and thanks, not your derision.

    I am shocked at how some on this site who claim to be patriots are quick to attack retired military officers who are heroes because they don't like their political views.
     
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    Sorry, I prefer to take Colin Powells word that Clark was fired because Clark was "incompetent". Lots of people work at jobs and are total screw ups. You may be one of them. Clark was one of them. Oh yeah I forgot Obama. The only show Clark is ever invited on is Martin Bashirs. If that doesn't tell you something about Clarks character nothing will.
     
  11. PropagandaMachine

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    Its really sad that you guys hate liberals so much that a Serb can be less partizan on a topic involving Wesley Clark. I swear to go you'd think he bombed Texas by your reaction. Now, address the topic of the thread and the accuracy of his argument about how the oil-military complex is to the detriment of our economic and military security or don't post at all. I'm sick of stupid slander and I can't wait for the election to be over.

    That goes for all of you. This thread is not about Wesley Clark its about the effect of the oil-military complex on American economy, society and politics.
     
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    Hashim Thaci was a big wig in the Bin Laden backed KLA. I have a problem with a US General paling around with him.
     
  13. PropagandaMachine

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    I literally can't believe the irony of what is happening right now. I don't want to talk about this which should have been clearly reflected in the first response I made in this thread where I said that I don't want to talk about this. This thread is not about Thaci or the KLA or the ITCY or Bin Laden or even Wesley Clark it is about the oil-military complex. Gotov je!
     
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    No mention of all the oil and gas here in the US.

    I think I'll pass.
     
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    Then why post an article written by Clark?
     
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    Nope, I dont like wesley clark cause hes a moron.

    Do you know why Slobodan Milošević was charged with war crimes?

    Do you know how America, under clarks leadership, killed those we were supposed to be protecting?

    Do you know how its related to september 11th?
     
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    Because he happened to be the one who wrote it. Do you have anything to add on the oil-military complex or do you admit that US and especially Neo-Con foreign policy is made of (*)(*)(*)(*)? Surely if you hate Wesley Clark soooo much you can find a way to disagree with him on actual political issues.
     

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