Western Countries are Incapable of Resolving the Race/IQ Debate

Fair fight? You obviously don't know (*)(*)(*)(*) about war.

 

Poland in WW2 went up against the 2 biggest populations in Europe of Nazi Germany, and the Soviets.

Obviously proportions don't ring a bell?

 

Gee, I guess the history books have it wrong that Germany ran over Poland 18 days. But of course, in your view, those damn dirty Germans weren't playing fair, right?

Then after WWII, Poland was the U.S.S.R.'s (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) for 50+ years. Oh yea, those Polish troops are something to fear.

 

Actually it was 1 month, and 5 days, and Nazi Germany also had Soviets, and Slovaks invade Poland too.

Which Nazi Germany had about 3 times more Germans, than Poland did Polish, and Soviets had a population close to 6 times larger than Poland.

Nazi Germany also had Soviet raw materials given to them in the German - Soviet Credit Agreement.

There was no such advantages given to Poland, while Poland had tanks like the 7TP they often ran out of fuel on the battlefield, meanwhile Nazis didn't have to worry, they had the raw materials they needed supplied to them in the German - Soviet Credit Agreement.

Yeah, sure, fair fight alright.

 

WW2 is only one part of Polish history, through out most of it's history, Poland was whooping larger forces.

You obviously know very little about Polish history.

Poland even conquered Russia in 1610, the only country in Europe to do so.

This was after the Battle of Klushino 1610 where 6,000 Polish forces beat 35,000 Russian forces.

There's countless examples of Polish with smaller numbers, dominating larger forces.

 

Uh, wrong.

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...ow long did it take germany to conquer poland

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland

 

Now you have finally uttered a truth. And not only do I not know much about Polish history, I don't even give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about Polish history.

But one thing is for sure, war is not fair and it's not supposed to be fair. It's not a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing football game between grade schools.

 

18 days.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/defeat/poland.htm

 

Evidently, it has no bearing on reading comprehension. Where did I "acknowledge" such a thing?

What about people who are "intelligent" in other ways? Trying to generalise all "intelligence", all human cognitive ability, as this one perception of "intelligence" which emerged from the horrible reactionary mess of 19th century Prussian ideology (which Binet drew from) is not only inadequate, but harmful. Everyone is intelligent. Intelligence is diverse, contextual, and impossible to quantify. This is why I don't think IQ testing is valid (and it was my argument all along: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=451326&page=9&p=1066057974#post1066057974 ).

Do you like Fichte, by any chance?

We don't need to partition people. And that's according to your own perception of intelligence, which is fed by the one-sided view of intelligence prevalent in society.

What a spectacular misinterpretation. If anyone's invoking "God of the gaps" here, it's the people who go "oh, let's just pin this all on genetics because it's easy and makes good popsci." I was not saying that we shouldn't bother coming to any conclusion, but that it is nigh-impossible to disconnect IQ or any skills or human traits from social factors.

No it does not. Parenting is not the only environmental factor affecting development. At all.

I'd like a study showing that Asians raised by white Americans have higher than average non-verbal reasoning skills too, por favor.

 

If Poland is ganged up upon, then by your logic it's just Poland being weak.

Very simple logic.

Well, what more could we expect from a Liberal from California?

It's no wonder why California was rated the 47th state by intelligence in the U.S.A.

 

Ah, the expert on human intelligence speaks again, which is how you started looking so foolish to start with. I have learned one thing here, you aren't a Mensa member.

For your information, I'm not a liberal. But facts have not stopped you from spewing your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) previously, so don't let it cloud your judgement now.

 

I'm starting to see why you see typical Blacks as your equals.

 

And a perfect example of why the left in this country is so quick to point a finger at the right and scream Racist.

I feel sorry for you having to live with that handicap.

Have an ordinary day.

 

America the land that went from exterminating Native Americans, to exterminating themselves in multiculturalism. LOL

I don't understand Westerners, nor want to understand you.

Some thing's not all there with Western Europeans on the whole.

 

Here's one in which Belgians adopted Korean infants:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0191886989902468

The Koreans had substantially higher performance IQ.

Here are some more that mention the split:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com.sci-hub.io/doi/10.1111/1469-7610.00690/abstract

http://sci-hub.io/10.1177/0920203X8800300202

Let me guess, the split is due to some unknown environmental factors that follows Asians around wherever they go, no matter what country they live in and no matter who raises them? What are all of these hidden environmental variables that explain this ubiquitous cognitive split?

You acknowledged the correlation between various forms of IQ testing and performance/achievement in STEM.

You once said in another post that you would randomly select people, as opposed to testing them, if you were charged with trying to get the best students you could. Have you ever wondered why virtually no university in the world randomly accepts students?

Everyone is not intelligent. How can you possibly believe this? Do words have meaning anymore?

We have proposed a factor that can account for many of the discrepancies found between the different races, in terms of intelligence. You have proposed a vague, hypothetical set of factors that explain the difference.

Intelligence can be studied just like other forms of behavior (we often develop statistical constructs), and we can make reasonable inferences about the role of biology. How many variables do we need to eliminate before you finally acknowledge that there are racial differences? We have eliminated income, parenting, and culture as explanations--what else is there? Why is the burden of proof so absurdly high for this issue and not others? If the rest of social science were held to the same standard, most of it would have been relegated to pseudoscience years ago.

 

It's hard to take egalitarianism seriously with such studies as these.

 

The Netherlands only lasted 4 days in WW2, and Denmark didn't even last 1 day.

But, I almost never hear people mocking those countries for that.

Which brings up an interesting point, how come you're mocking Poland, isn't that contrary to your egalitarian views?

As usual it's okay to mock White people, it's just wrong to mock people who are not White.

Typical Liberal logic at it's core.

 

Frankly, people should know this stuff without needing so much evidence. These patterns are readily observable without appealing to advanced statistics and biology--people take environmental factors far too seriously. For instance, I usually score in the top 1% on standardized tests, and I had virtually nothing in my environment that would help my IQ magically be high; in fact, everything in my environment suggested that I would have a lower IQ. I've sen this pattern repeat in others many times.

East Asian behaviors are noticeably different from other groups, no matter where they live and even when they are adopted. I have yet to meet someone of East Asian descent who was exceptionally gregarious, who engaged in risk-taking behavior, and who wasn't heavily inclined toward the pursuit of sensory stimulation.

Environmental factors do usually matter, but to pretend that they can account or everything is nonsense.

 

I was reading a link someone shared about amnesia*. It was regardng the habit the western world gets into when it comes to assessing current affairs. They will blame a populace for the conditions they had a hand in creating and they do this all the time. I said all that to say that what is happening to people "globally" really isn't the targeted groups doing no matter what the spins, denials, and dismissals are.

I will yield that some targeted groups bear a little of the blame. After so much time of witnessing the cruel and exploitative nature of a group, some sort of defensive and counter-offensive mechanisms should have been developed. It's now at a point where people are in full Stockholm mode and are now participating in finishing off their own group.

My parents would have been sterilized, as would I...
Why? As long as you and your parents aren't harming others, no one outside of you all should advocate a darn thing about sterilizing yourselves. An individual should be making the decisions for his or her own person. Not on anyone else. Moreover, if you were harming others, the appropriate institution(s) should be addressing it. And listen to what you are saying. You are genetically flawed, but you have a high I.Q??? What makes you think your criteria for eugenics is to be considered over others anyway? BTW, there is nothing at all objective about deciding on the candidates for eugenics.


*Scramble for Africa
*Colonialism
*Imperialism
*Slave Trade
*Neo-colonialism
*Economic sanctions
*Proxy wars
*Overthrowing and assassinating leaders
*etc. etc. etc.

 

I prefer a taxation method of eugenics based on IQ, and criminality.

If you're a low IQ criminal, you should be forced to pay large taxation for having children.

If you're a high IQ law aiding citizen, you should get the benefit of seeing tax reductions for having children.

 

Just so you know, this proposal won't be as effective as you think it is going to be in a progressive tax system. So, how about a counter-proposal?

A. Violent criminals get kicked off the planet (death penalty).

B. Non-violent criminals should go through a tried and true rehabilitation process with restitution requirements. Those who fail this program should pay higher taxes, nevermind their IQ.

C. Welfare and taxes should favor good citizens and the married over the single-parent, low-educated household.

No eugenics involved and no reward for poor choices.

 

Not bad, but I think that smart people should be rewarded over stupid people.

 

Much better than what we currently have. I just hope you realize how many blacks are going to be affected. I predict that their population would shrink dramatically.

Somehow, we need to make this happen.

 

Looks like Obama's doing the opposite.

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...dlords-they-can-t-refuse-house-criminals.html