What’s inside the Senate’s $95 billion bill to aid the Ukraine…..”

What’s inside the Senate’s $95 billion bill to aid Ukraine and Israel and counter China”

“WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate early Tuesday passed an emergency spending package that would provide military aid to Ukraine and Israel; replenish U.S. weapons systems; and provide food, water, and other humanitarian aid to civilians in Gaza.”

“Now that the Senate has approved the emergency spending package, it is up to the Republican-led House to take it up, change it or let it die. Speaker Mike Johnson cast new doubt on the package in a statement Monday evening, making clear that it could be weeks or months before Congress sends the legislation to President Joe Biden’s desk — if at all.”

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-a...2207b7eb6eeead

So what is the GOP House do now? They asked for a border proposal and when they got a bipartisan one they wouldn’t even consider it, although everyone knows they never really had any intent to address the border

Now they get the rest of the package, one which they could have separated and passed on their own last Fall, and thru a bipartisan effort, so what are the House Republicans going to do now? They know that Trump doesn’t want anything moving forward on the Ukraine, let alone lose the political ammunition they could use if the Ukraine fell to Putin.

But all three nations are American allies, the Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, and turning one’s back on allies never worked out well in foreign relations, especially when those entities are facing a common adversary of the United States

Is Johnson going to stand up on his own, or, once again follow directions from MaraLago?

 

My HOPE is that enough Republicans in the House do what's needed and pass at least an acceptable level of this bill to get something done.
Despite what MAGA wants, I still believe many Republicans want what's best for the world AND the USA.
But, we will see...........................

 

NINETY-FIVE BILLION DOLLARS FOR FOREIGN COUNTRIES, and not one ****ING DIME for protecting the border or national security of the United States of America?!

Oh, with the passing of nearly every day, I'm even happier that I got rid of my membership in the Republican Party in 2017! It's turned into just another spineless gaggle of self-aggrandizing slimebags whose greatest aspiration is to "go-along-and-get-along" -- while they feverishly 'work the phones' for campaign donations and play the stock markets....

Being an 'unaffiliated Independent' does NOTHING for me, I'll confess -- but at least I don't have to look at a political cuckold's face in the mirror every day.

 

You probably already know this, but there was a decent amount of money/attention for the border in the other bill, the one that House Republicans insisted on and when they got it they reneged.
This is what happens when extremism gets too great in government. Usually, the pendulum will swing in the opposite way. Hopefully it doesn't swing too far left, as the extremist left is not good either. It also shows how the down ballot voting is still important.
We need to have good, EFFECTIVE representation, people who want to actually improve our nation through acts of Congress, regardless of party affiliation.

 

No matter what they think, they haven’t shown the courage to cross MaraLago, and it is doubtful Johnson even allows a vote on the floor

 

There was more than a decent amount of money/attention for the border in the bill, more importantly it was a near complete reform of the existing antiquated immigration laws. As Graham said, before he got his orders from MaraLago, it will a long time before Democrats concede so much in border proposals

Not that this thread is about the border, but it is questionable if the right ever has any interest in addressing the border, they want it exactly as it is now

 

Well, it was the GOP that tied aid for Ukriane and Israel to the border bill -- until Trump told them that a vote for the border bill would be bad for his re-election chances, because it would give Biden a win. All of a sudden, the GOP (err, Trump party) reversed course and wanted to untie foreign aid form the border deal. Go figure... I am sure, however, RW media is telling you exactly how to blame the Dems for all this.

 

Seriously bro? Trump doesn't want Ukraine aid to pass, so does his foreign handler.

 

That's why I used the word "hope", because with the MAGA crowd no can be too sure what they will do, just like their leader Trump.
Seems like the GOP has split, MAGA and the traditional conservatives. One is based on principles they have developed, the other is centered around one person.
A country could not survive being centered around one person, and our founding fathers knew this, and formed the Republic a certain way to try and make sure it would remain that way. Some of the 'rules' were a little unclear, and some things were left to the discretion of the leaders, which is where MAGA takes advantage. They don't care about making this a great country for everyone, they only care that they are in charge and want to regress America back to some fictional past where older white people were in power. History is littered with failures of this type, and I hope I'm alive to watch the ending of this one.

 

The hold up of the bill is this. "The final element, however, has drawn instant fire from the right, where critics paint it as acquiescing to the arrival of up to 5,000 migrants per day."
Multiply 5,000 per day by 365 days a year. How is that controlling the border?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...r-bill-outrage-underscores-a-political-shift/

 

I think you're confusing two separate bills. This one in this thread doesn't have the border language, because MAGA republicans changed their minds to try and help Trump win the election, because he wants to use the border as a cudgel, so making improvements would hurt Trump and other Republicans running for office. I know that politicians in North Carolina are beating that horse to a pulp in tv ads.
But, again, this bill is only about the foreign aid.

 

Inflation continues to surge. Even the intentionally manipulated new CPI reporting rules couldn't hide it. But sure, let's piss away 100B.

 

Can we be honest and say the last bill wasn't a border bill, it was a Ukraine, Israel and border bill? It was purely a political ploy.

 

I agree, it was a purely political move by the House MAGA representatives.
Do you really not remember how we got here?

 

Could it be that Republicans are reluctant to pass that bill without having the border bill with it? How are they to know if they pass this bill, the Democrats won't help them pass a border bill?

 

Personally I'm not concerned about "Mar-Lago". I want to be assured non of this money aids the enemy. I don't want any of it going to retirement benfits or "graft" in the Ukrainian governing system. I don't want ANY of this money going to the support of Hamas (kind of like our UN money went) In short.....I'd much rather see our own border closed to illegal immigration defined by laws on the books before we spend one thin dime on the border of our allies and their borders! I resent others using the Trump Derangement Syndrome as an excuse to deny my own sentiment! Has nothing to do with that!!

 

Those bills should all stand on their own merit. Common sense to me dictates we secure our own border first! What good does it do to our allies if we are over run from armies within?

 

Romney: Now, I know that the shock jocks and online instigators have riled up many in the far reaches of my party. But if your position is being cheered by Vladimir Putin, it's time to reconsider your position.

 

Trouble is. The Right doesn't trust the Left to come up with a good border bill. The last one would still let in up to 5,000 a day. But to put off a bill to help Ukraine and Israel is vital right now. They are running out of ammunition and weapons. Russia is eating that up.

 

The left doesn't even need a bill. The Administration has all the tools to shore up the border and uphold the laws he swore to. Separate issues. Still, we have to print money to shore up other nations while our own goes to hell in a handbasket. Doesn't make sense to me.

 

Romney is a neo-con globalist. Why isn't Europe worked up about Ukraine? Let them dwell on it for awhile. The biggest threat is for them! Meanwhile Communist China has just invaded us with over 20,000 military age men whom we do not know a thing about other than the fact they wouldn't be here without their governments best wishes. Shouldn't that be our biggest concern right here at home? Let Europe show rabid concern for their own borders while we build up our own Nation! Then we can carry that big stick once again!!

 

A good chunk of it is to replenish US stockpiles

The border will was already rejected.

 

Not sure what "my party" is, but I would think Putin would be cheering to not fund Ukraine.
Personally, I see helping Ukraine as the noblest of the group, as it is horrible what Russia is doing there, regardless of what the USSR used to be.
Israel seems to be holding their own, and the Palestinians in Gaza probably could use as much help as anyone on the planet about now. They need to get rid of Hamas, but then Israel and others should help the Palestinians so they don't have to rely on a group like Hamas.

 

Yes they do and they refuse to use them. As I showed you, we have an obligation to help Ukraine. We signed an agreement to help them if they gave up their nuclear weapons and later we went in and completely disarmed them of their rifles, ammo, rockets and etc. We left them defenseless. Russia had to believe Biden would do the same thing Obama did. They felt they could walk right in there and take over the whole country. Russia has leveled most of their Northern and Eastern cities and towns to the ground. They have cut their electricity and contaminated their water. The have killed over a hundred thousand Ukrainians. It's more than shoring up other nations. We said we would protect them from invasion if they gave up their weapons and now we don't want to?

 

Uh, what?! Are you talking to me? If you re-read my post you'll see that I was blasting REPUBLICANS! I didn't offer one word of criticism against Democrats in the post you quoted. Let me make it plain this time -- I'm pissed-off at Republicans! I have learned to expect that America-hating Democrats want an 'open border' and will do anything to keep swarms of migrants pouring in here who will eventually swell the ranks of the Democrat Party. No surprise!

But, I never expected a majority of Republicans, ANYWHERE in ANY part of government, to help the Democrats do this! And the most misguided Republican of all is Donald Trump himself! Trump may get the Republican nomination, but he won't ever see the inside of the White House again in his life! Believe that if nothing else....