What Alarmists Often Don't Understand.....the Burden of Proof is on YOU

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  1. _Inquisitor_

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    It is your belief you keep on repeating like a fanatic, would be nice if you addressed the reality of my posts and points made.
     
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    He was not, he was one of last physists.
     
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    Aaaaaand, the solar intensity has been down, for several decades, perennial ice has been melting, which should have cooled the Earth, BUT IT DIDN'T, and so what burden does any denier think I get to have?

    Deniers get to wonder, if the rest of the world is not going to suddenly get on your case, to close your miserable pest-hole media down, like any other gay bath-house-type outfit.

    Deniers get to wonder, if the CIA, DOD, Navy, NOAA, NASA, and whatever scientists won't all smarten up, at once, and do whatever it takes, to keep idiotic deniers, from falling under everybody else's wheels.

    That means the three-letter agencies need to get tough, on somebody besides Muzzies and OWS.

    I wonder if idiotic reactionaries will keep being idiotic enough, to get that kind of beef, going?
     
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    Okay dude listen.....if i put my thermometer in a bucket of water at 32 degrees the the water freezes and if I put the same thermometer is a water pot at 212 degrees the water boils.
    Thermometers tell us what the temperature is... temperature is a measure of heat... therefore a themometer tells us the temperature.

    What the heck do you think temperature is anyway????
     
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    For all your rants about religion your arguments over climate are rather monotheistic. I don't think that any thinking person would believe that a system as complex as the climate has but one independent variable.
     
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    Hot water holds more water than cool air...it does not make any difference wheather it is said in english, spanish or swahili.

    That is a scientific fact. Science does not say whether Jesus made it so, or Allah ordained it or whethe the flying spagetti monster made the rules.

    It simply states that warm air holds more water than cold air.
     
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    Wow? You are arguing that heat and temperature are the same thing. I'll remember that the next time I stick my hand in a 424 degree oven to pull out a Pizza. After all that is twice the temperature of boiling water I might lose my hand.
     
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    Temperature is a measure of heat. If you put a thermometer in a Pizza over for one tenth of a second it will not register 424 degrees.
     
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    Heat always travels from hot to cold and thermal energy is absorbed.

    It takes time for a potato to cook because it takes time to reach the internal temperature of the surrounding water.
     
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    Temperature is not a measure of heat.

    Heat = kg X m^2/s^2

    Do you see the base unit of temperature anywhere in those units?

    Actually my Pizza will have far more heat than my oven despite having approximately the same temperature. If I make a mistake and touch the Pizza I'm probably getting burned. That is why temperature is not a measure of heat.
     
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    Absolute zero is the complete absence of heat. A themometer measures heat.

    It does not measure anything else.
     
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    No what heat is and what temperature is converge at absolute 0. At absolute 0 the temperature is 0 and the heat is 0. I could spell this out easily for you but I want to see if you can actually go online and find out what heat is and what temperature is. Of course you may have already done so and are just too proud to admit your mistake.
     
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    Thermo means heat and meter means measure.

    A thermometer is a device to measure heat.
     
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    Absolute zero is the absence of heat.

    A thermometer is a gauge to measure heat.

    I don't think you can spell out anything because you are mistaken.
     
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    Where did you find arguments in the disconnected rant? Show me one.
     
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    Wow, just wow. It is amasing how scientists brainwash people.

    A themometer measures tempreture. One would think a 4 years old would know ..

    One would think a child would know, but look at scientists; things they impose on the public below menatlity of a 4 years old, And they flood p[eer reviwed magazines with such statements. AGW is mental deviation, imbecility.On a side note Absolute zero is a parameter of non-exicstence of no motion. God set the universe in motion. It will seaze existing when the parameter of the motion called Tempreture will reach 0K. Only in mentality of scientists something which has the end never had the beginning. In the beginning there was Word.
     
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    I love it. You got it right! Scientists are about lingustic and semantics. Laws and definitions and systems of physics are avoided by them. That's how they influence/cheat the gullible public.

    In phisycs heat, mass, weight, inertia and many other things have strict definitions (often expressed or doubled in a set of symbols as Windigo showed)). The gullible public does not know what they are and how they are made and what for and how they are different from everyday lingustics; that's why as rule if a scintist is above the basic scientific method such as making up fantazies and proving them by spitting insults, lies, making up strawman, and other purely political means, he/she does split semantics.

    A thermometer is a device to measure thempreture. Tempreture is one of the parameters of thermodynamic state of a body or a system. By itself it says nothing about the state.
     
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    Have a nice day!!!
     
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    Good night, Sir.
     
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    I didn't have a tantrum, stop lying.
    <yawn> I will continue to identify lies as calmly and objectively as I have done to date. And you will continue to lie about what I have plainly written. No surprises.
     
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    No, it is not. Heat is randomly distributed small-particle kinetic energy. Temperature is kinetic energy per small particle.

    Probably you can't figure out the difference.
    You are mistaken. Heat is energy. A thermometer does not measure energy.
     
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    Only relative to the post-little Ice Age high. And even having come down off that high, it is still well above typical Little Ice Age levels. So it is still warming the deep ocean from its LIA chill.
    And revealing medieval villages....
    How would lowering the earth's albedo cool it?
     
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    I think we should be excercising caution, even if climate warming has not been definitively proved. Even if climate warming is just a theory, if there is enough evidence supporting it that it may have a significant chance of having validity, I think it still warrants preventative action. Better to take the chance to be inconvenienced over nothing than to take the risk that our future generations will suffer. But that does not mean we should be going to extreme measures like banning normal incandescent light bulbs!
     
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    That is why i promote the planting of trees.

    In my country it would put people back to work, reduce the heat island effect and help to reverse the growth of deserts.

    But instead i get involved in a pis(*)ing contest on semantics. Such as acidification vs neutralization and thermometers.

    I also endorse carbon capture in soil. Building up the soil would only make it more productive.

    I have always held the idea that in order to sustain you have to give back.
     
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    Failure of northern ice albedo is a tipping point, to runaway global warming. Don't butcher the quote and forget what I wrote. You wouldn't happen to be able to produce a link or a graph, which shows solar intensity or sunspots, would you?

    I'd go get one, but I'm not even sure what you need to know, since you whacked the quote and made a leap, to a question, which shows you aren't sure how you want to fail, here.

    FYI: The game we are in, today is we are out-gassing GHGs, faster than before any of the 5 previous mass extinctions or the PETM extinction, 56 m.y.a.

    If YOU think we aren't going to get warmer than the lousy Holocene Thermal Optimum or any and all of the Medieval Warming, Roman Warming, and Minoan Warming, go ahead and go over your failing premise, now.
     

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