What are Progressive Values?

Nice theory but Trump is running to the left of Hillary.

 

After 8 years of running interference and revisionist MINISTRY OF TRUTH reporting RE: war in Syria for Democrats including Clinton and Obomber - Hartmans got no grassroots credentials left - Thom is clearly establishmentarian like Chomsky and Amy Goodman - they all lied and protected the White House and CIA from blame for armng and training FSA, al Nusra, and creating ISIS. In Jordan and Turkey where Obama travelled personally to secure permissions to set up traing bases for the U.S. to over throw Assad- w/ Hillary constantly saying 'Assad must go' - Obama caused directly the al Nusra, ISIS mutilations, executions, beheadings, rapes, and executions of hundreds of thousands of innocent Syrians, then falsely blamed Assad for the gas attacks.

Instead - Hartman and Amy Goodman played Democrat Establishment horse race politics for the last 4 years, trying to get Bernie Sanders elected, when it was clear Bernie had no intentions of changing U.S. military and White House Middle Eastern mass murder policy. Chomsky openly lied on Pacifica radio station blaming the Saudis and Bush to protect Pres. Obama, Hillary and the CIA.


"Don't believe us? Then believe Bernie himself interviewed by George Stephanopoulos on ABC News “This Week” May 3.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So if you lose in this nomination fight, will you support the Democratic nominee?

SANDERS: Yes. I have in the past.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Not going to run as an independent?

SANDERS: No, absolutely not. I've been very clear about that."

 

HEY -


Who IS REALLY DOING THE TERRORIST BLITZKREIG HERE ???


O-BOMB-A and Mrs. Killery ?


Bomber in Chief: 20,000 Airstrikes in the President's First Term

http://warisacrime.org/content/bomb...term-cause-death-and-destruction-iraq-somalia

and


U.S. Dropped 23,144 Bombs On Muslim-Majority Countries In 2015

http://www.mintpressnews.com/u-s-dropped-23144-bombs-on-muslim-majority-countries-in-2015/212638/

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.

It is like the word 'Globalization'. Most voters in the 1990s thought it was a benign euphemism Bill and Hillary Clinton used to describe why the U.S. economy failed under Reagan, and the "challenges" Americans faced as the Clintons pledged to create jobs.

Now of course - and not just from the speeches of Ross Perot - many people -
(but not the majority of voters) - recognize and understand that 'Globalism' means something far more malevolent.

 

Here is what free trade should have been about:

It was not supposed to be just about cheaper wages to help make the rich, richer.

 

The war is subsidized not just from tax breaks for big defense but for tech companies like Diebold who own and operate computer vote polling stations and by big donors like lobbyists for Haliburton, Soros and Carlyle, who grease the wheels of the war machine for Congress, and as tanks grind over the bones of the dead in Iraq and Syria.

On the LA affiliate public access there was a massive televised report on how in 2016 there were tons of closed polling stations due to 'computer malfunction' in Los Angeles county. The stations reported that the computers consistently 'failed to tabulate correctly' ballots that were cast at the station or absentee.

BTW - did you see the photos of ISIS working out of USAID tents?

The billionaire George Soros of the Carlyle Group also funds Amy Goodmans Democracy Now, and Free Speech TV where Tom Hartman appears. You now realize why Goodman and Hartman are always lying about ISIS origins (the CIA) because Soros also finances USAID - they all feed from the same gravy train. ISIS was also photographed and were reported to be fighting alongside U.S. mercs Blackwater. Democrats verbally threatened Syria for years - even the so called 'Progressive Caucus' of the Democrat Party - routinely voted for more war, while simultaneously taking in tons of money from defense contractors and voted in more troops, arms to mercenaries, like the FSA, and al Nusra, bombngs, drones, and airstrikes, OF ALL WARS on innocent Arabs nations!

 

You know it is a mater of fact - that Fox News does not run on a capitalist model, and has never turned a profit. It exists and is dependant on donations from the Heritage Foundation and similar Conservative Foundations put together by the billionaire class.

I s__t you not.

 

Yet, the right complains more about welfare spending than they do warfare spending; go figure.

 

A "progressive value" is any value that is imposed upon others by force of law.

 

social justice sometimes requires the force of law.

 

America is Not Fighting ISIS,

Obama and Hillary Created ISIS and Are Arming It

to Control Oil Fields !!!



STOP THE WAR IN SYRIA AND LIBYA


It should also be remembered that the Democratic Party

considers anti-war Progressives to be just a "focus group" and treated as

sheeple for vote getting - and as a consequence of this - many so

called "Progressive" news sites and radio shows featuring

Democracy Now, Tom Hartman, Juan Cole, Noam Chomsky,

(etc.)have very low standards for accuracy in reporting, and are

essentially Democrat Party and Establishment shills.


Most shows and news sites labelled "Progressive " are doing

'Don't forget to vote for (Killery) Clinton and the Democrats '

agenda driven tabloid coverage always pointing at the 'racist'


GOP - which is in itself COMPLETE HYPOCRISY on the part of

'Progressive Media' - because when the Democrats get done killing

everyone in Libya, Syria and Iraq - everyone will be dead - since

Obama and Hillary secretly decided to arm al Queda, ISIS,

al Nusra and Libya Fighting Group to wrestle control of the

Middle East away from the Arabs and Persians for the Big Oil

companies. Like THAT'S not RACIST - yeah right.

According to these two Americans who did business in Libya,

Obama and Hillary killed over a million people there. They have

appeared on PRN.fm, GCNs Joyce Riley, Corbett Report and the

Global Rearch News Hour.

What Is The US Doing In Libya Now?

"The US is bombing Derna to open a pathway to bring ISIS and other radical mercenaries into Libya. They have been bombing now for 7 days and have killed 4 civilians. I think the writing is pretty much on the wall, the US does not want it's support of ISIS known in Libya ..."

read here:


What Is The US Doing In Libya Now? | libyanwarthetruth.com



BREAKING - Sabratha Libya Invaded by ISIS


BREAKING - Sabratha Libya Invaded by ISIS | libyanwarthetruth.com


podcasts here:

Media | libyanwarthetruth.com

 

Socialism and noting but Socialism. True progressives don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about minorities they claim to represent. They care only about the advancement of socialism. I tell my gay friends that no socialist is on their side. Gays are by their very nature an enemy of the socialist state. They don't generally reproduce so they don't contribute to the birth rate that socialists states need to function. Russians were he'll on gays for that exact reason.

 

you may be missing the trees for the forest. It is about evolving our modern, civil rights. Equality is a Social concept not a Capital concept.

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*)!

But it is not a concept of socialism Marx made it quite clear that peoples are not equal and groups that negatively effect the socialist state must be put to heel. Go read what Marx thought of the Jews he was history's #1 self-hating Jew before Hitler came along. Now he is a distant second.

And don't give me this a (*)(*)(*)(*) about equality. Look at how your side treats Muslims v. Christians. Or Muslims vs. gays, or Muslims v. Women. You view Muslims as a potential group that can aid you in the advancement of socialism so they are put at the top of your victim pyramid. Everyone can see and knows that leftist victim groups have a hierarchy. So don't give me this crap about equality.

 

I think the current tabloid hype on the transvestites buzzword - LGBT - on corporatist Right Wing news papers, as well as faux 'Progressive' Democrat controlled sites (i.e.) Common Dreams, Democracy Now, Progressive Voices radio, and Pacifica Radio are election year ploys, to gin up $$$ donations by pandering to their respective activist bases and accomplish 3 objectives:



A) So the GOP can solidify their Southern voting/ cash campaign donations demographic and alienate them from turning more Liberal, and keep religous people hating Progressives.

B) The faux Progressives news sites are attempting at keeping gays under the Democrat banner, voting and cash donation umbrella by pandering/ grandstanding on Orlando as a 'hate crime' (although the shooter was gay and reportedly hit on gays for years at Pulse) and pushing/pandering the buzzword 'LGBT' on afforementioned faux 'Progressive' sites and radio RE; the bathroom debate to keep it at forefront of election year politics.

C) ESPECIALLY TRUE are the facts that the 'LGBT' and Bernies fake 'Socialism' and fake 'Progressive' scripted debates: one of the main hypocrisies being Bernie Sanders takes Big Defense dollars like Hillary. 3 year election campaigns and debate horse race politics are being used to suppress voluminous reports RE: Libya, Syria, and Iraq war crimes that Obama and Hillary caused. Included is the fact they created ISIS death squads to overthrow Maliki in Iraq, Quaddafi in Libya, and are trying get Assad overthrown in Syria, and in all 3 cases killed an untold hundreds of thousands of dead innocent civillians in the process. These war crime revelations caused the anti-war movement Progressive donations to Democrat radio to dry up: Pacifica and Progressive Voices,Democracy Now, and PRN.fm who began to censor war crimes by Democrats, as well as warmonger Bernie Sanders complicity was censored to preserve 'Progressive' crediibilty and ca$h ran short. Even though PBS, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, NPR, Democracy Now, AlterNet, TruthOut.org (Chris Hedges on the 'Real News Network' also featuring scholar Nafeez Ahmed as well as Hartman on Free Speech TV) all who purposely suppressed evidence that Obama, Hillary and the CIA, started the wars in Libya and Syria - a crucial accuracy in war reporting litmus test all these websites and radio and TV shows failed - proving they are controlled asset embedded with U.S. Government reporters and who get 60% or more of their revenue from NWO OIL WARS BOOSTERS George Soros and the Ford Foundation, who themselves are pro-war regime change profiteers and members of the Council on Foreign Relations like NeoCons Dick Cheney and Henry Kissinger.

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BTW - I would appreciate your view on the following excellent analysis posted here by this indy journalist:

Protecting al-Qaeda: Guest Analysis by Steven Chovanec

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=451061&p=1066298202#post1066298202

 

This Nobel Prize winner says the wars are not religion motivated - (contrary to Chomskys, Bill Mahers and Juan Coles dumb deliberately vague and misleading 'sectarian' ramblings which make Maher very rich) ... the American commentators propagandize and scapegoat the Koran instead of talking about Democrats / GOP endless campaign greed for Big Oil, Defense and the New World Order.

Support A Process Of Dialogue And Reconciliation In Syria

By Mairead Maguire

"Meeting with religious leaders: We attended in the Omayyad Mosque in Damascus a prayer gathering led by the Grand Mufti of the Syrian Arab Republic, Dr. Ahmad Badr Al-Din Hassoun and the Greek Catholic Patriarch Gregory III Laham with the delegate of Greek Orthodox Patriarch John X Yazigi, and clerics of all traditions. The Assembly prayed for the peace and unity of Syria and the non-interference of outsiders in their country. They stressed the conflict in Syria is not a religious conflict, as Muslims and Christians have always lived together in Syria, and they are,(in spite of living with suffering and violence much of which is not of their own making ..."

http://www.countercurrents.org/maguire250513.htm

 

"social justice" is a nebulous bromide

Your argument has the depth of a bumper sticker. We're a bit 'deeper' in my strata.

 

special pleading out there in right field?

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You have to look at the over all context. It is about Persons in our republic. Equality is a social concept not a capital concept.

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without any valid rebuttal or counter-point?

social just is not private justice or capital justice.

 

You might not like it but is true and everyone else can see it. When a conflict occurs between the lefts special interests groups you can predict exactly who will win based on their position in the hierarchy and not the merit if their argument and evidence. This is the exact opposite of equality. You are only lying to yourself if you think through left actually cares about equality.

 

just ten percent more than the right, and willing to help with social costs.

 

Not at all you use the victim groups for votes. You could give two (*)(*)(*)(*)s less about them.

 

Your strata?

Our "bromides"?

Oh my - Daniel, what mystification and riddles our company speaks in!

Gee - what could Mr. Hot Dogs, Apple Pie, and Chevrolet -possibly mean?

Gosh darn - maybe one day we can we can live up to your standard!

 

Your response has bypassed me -

but at least not as incomprehensible as Wing-ding-o.

 

I wonder if it ever occurred to people as far to the Right here at PF such as bricklayer and wingdingo that America has become a Totalitarian state - along with a few of its war making European powers, and Middle Eastern partners in crime - such as Great Britain, France, and Germany. Such Totalitarian countries and the U.S. must now utilize Orwellian tactics, like those used in '1984', staging terror events by having Western intelligence agencies attack their own citizenry, using the CIA created 'adversary' ISIS in order to create continous excuses and pretexts for the never ending wars on innocent Middle Eastern countries Syria and Iraq , for the purpose of stealing oil.

The patterns of so called "Islamic Terror" attacks are always the same. America or the Western governments always have prior knowledge of the terrorist perpetrators identities, their patterns of travel abroad, the plots hatching and so forth - but as in all cases, Homeland Security fails to prevent the terror plot just in time for a national holiday in order to the exploit the event in the mass media, whether its the New York Times Square pipe-bomber, the Detroit Xmas Day underwear bomber, or the Boston marathon bomber - each was expolited on Americans time off to push the permanent war agenda.

The US-NATO War In Syria And The Brussels Terror Attacks

By Alex Lantier


"This news came after Friday’s reports that police knew the location of the hideout of Salah Abdeslam, the ISIS fugitive wanted in the November 13 terror attacks in Paris, throughout the four months in which he was described as “Europe’s most wanted” man, until his capture on March 18. Police did not try to apprehend him for the entire period. Once he was captured, moreover, he received only a perfunctory two-hour interrogation. Though he knew several of the March 22 attackers, including Najim Laachraoui, he was reportedly not asked whether any other attacks were being prepared.

The New York Times’ characterization of these events as a “trail of dots not connected,” echoing the official position of the Belgian government, does not hold water. In reality, this attack, like the two ISIS attacks in Paris last year, are the product of the reckless and reactionary decision of Washington and its major European allies to mobilize Islamist militias to wage a proxy war for regime change in Syria."


http://www.countercurrents.org/lantier280316.htm

 

Honestly - I don't know where you Right Wingers get your news from -

Fox or CNN - stop watching that Fascist - Militarist brainwashing!