What can Trump do about Autonomous Zone?

If that is what Seattle wants, then let them do it, if the citizens inside the area agree.

 

I agree we haven't reached the point where violence against public businesses, etc., is called for.

But, lasting protest? Sorry, we've been there for a long time.

None of these protests are over "1 black person"

And, I can safely walk through CHAZ anytime I want.

The road blocking was a measure taken by the police as a safety measure. It's continuing for the same reasons.

Let's remember that a couple days ago some right wing criminal drove into the crowd as a form of attack and then shot someone.

Trump, Fox and others are NOT presenting any kind of rational reporting of these events. If you want to know what's happening, you need to read the local press. Try the Seattle Times - a paper tht is not at all a liberal and isn't even headquartered in Seattle. Try outlets that are far closer to what's going on on the ground - like The Stranger.

As our Mayor Durkan told Trump "Make us all safe, go back to your buker."

All Trump has to offer is escalating violence. He has shown absoltely ZERO interest in what ANY of the issues are.

 

What sources are you using to become informed of what is happeneing and what the issues are here?

 

It is apparently a bit more serious than you care to admit. Earlier someone posted a long list of demands. They can ask for whatever they want, but they do not have the right to demand anything.

 

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People can ALWAYS make demands.

 

Demands usually means comply or we will take some kind of action like in a hostage situation. Otherwise, they are merely asking for something.

 

~ Trump may have just won the state of Washington for reelection ✔

 

I am aware that the Seattle situation has been less violent- none the less, totally illegal in every way. Criminal, felon level. I thin they would have been much more violent, except the dishrag mayor folded and ran instead of doing her job.

When you make demands by way of extortion, it is one way. The city's rule are determined by laws in a structure established by the voters and who they elect-
when a group of individuals want to take a part of the city and hold it hostage with the demand those things be written to suit them, they dare attempting to disenfranchise every legitimate voter and citizen of Seattle. That's about 3/4 million people. But you don't think that is one way? You know damn good and well it is.

There have been national guard called by state officials. There has been no military- yet- other than people associated with protecting the capital.
You aren't blind, you watched the news, you know damn well that we have yet to see any demonstration that is actually peaceful. The rhetoric alone is filled with hate, violence- these people are throwing things at police lines for example. Bottles of water- even spray urine on them. They throw bricks at them, and that constitutes assault with a deadly weapon, which authorizes lethal force in most situations.
It is the police who have been restrained and peaceful- and that has cost a dozen lives and hundreds of police injuries. Peaceful???
Don't discredit yourself any further peddling that BS.

The desires of the community- ARE NOT what these thugs are doing. The people who insist the police be defunded, just happen to be the very people who are committing the crimes.
Hell yes, they want them disarmed and defunded. And they want the "sympathy" induced by the fear people feel due to the threat the people present, thinking that if we give them what they want they won't burn us out.

This is hardly something new. Cities are trying to deal with it on the terms of the criminals, which will do vast damage. People are going to return to racism too- by committing these crimes in the name of black people, the image in people's minds will hold black people responsible- and that will hurt all black people, good and bad.

There was a post today noting that 18.6% of the real estate listing in Minneapolis are less than 7 days old. Nobody wants to live with mindless violence or the people who like it, and many people as well as businesses will leave- and not come back. Property values will fall for everybody- so they have hurt literally every resident of their city. Businesses will leave too; new businesses looking for locations will pass them by. Jobs will fall- an the city will decline. All facts, that has happened with most every riot in the past. Fighting for "Justice"?

"Chaz" is an armed camp of street trash. Much like a cult on drugs, thinking they have revolutionized society and will control the world. It's like a B-budget movie with a really, really bad script and characters.
There's not a single responsible adult there, unless they are being held captive. Don't glamorize a turd sandwich, it doesn't work. Glad you live closeby; that way if they get hostile you can explain it to them while you house is burning

Civilized law will never be perfect- but it can never produce the kind of injustice and destruction of freedom that anarchists do.

 

I don't happen to agree with anything you say here being of significance in terms of responding to the issues called out by these protesters.

The issues are ALL real.

Taking action against any police force is not even slightly easy. It is not just a matter of voting and/or changing policies. It's a matter of establishing a very different direction.

For example, in Minneapolis the police representation elected by the police themselves was known to proudly wear white supremacist emblems in public. Any chance that some policy change is going to alter that is just ridiculous.

Another factor that has to be recognized is that protest mevements always get used as opportunities by those who do not share objectives or methods with the protest effort. We had a protest when the WTO met here in Seattle. The protest was STUPENDOUSLY peaceful, with tens of thousands of marchers with no violence by the marchers. Then that evening a bunch of known anarchists came to town and started smashing stuff. Guess what made the national news!! And, the policing here for that protest was pretty darn reasonable. The offenses came from those called in from the smaller outlying forces that just didn't have the training or respect. So, police asked a carload of female reporters to roll down their window. When they complied, the police filled the care with pepper spray. When police had ordered everyone off a particular street, a couple walked out of a restaurant on that street - so the police shot the guy in the crotche at point blank range with his rubber pellet gun - with zero justification.

The same thing is going on here. Trump, Fox, and others WANT to pitch this as something that has to be addressed with violence. But, they are just flat ou twrong. Escalation of violence is exactly what these protests want to END.

Policing fails when the citizens and the police aren't WORKING TOGETHER.

 

~ I wonder why these peaceful protest activists did not let the residents vote ?

 

So you becoming a strong central government type?

 

No. I actually like the way it is.
I’m beginning to understand how this country manages to stay together despite constant partisanship.

 

The question is should the POTUS do anything as long as the governor of a state is containing this occupation. Should the POTUS wait until and if the governor asks for help.

If a federal building or if such an occupation was interfering with interstate commerce we would have to reconsider this.

 

IMO one of the most effective way to keep us together is to have checks and balances on and between the three branches of federal governments.

 

Simple ? Mob rule does not have a democratic decision making structure.

 

The other side of the coin is that Trumpists talk the talk of states rights until it interferes with there desires.

 

It is apparent that this fang of CHAZNICKS has figured out how and which buttons on Trumpists to push.

 

I will not get bent out of shape unless and until they name their new "country". CHAZNICKISTAN !

 

I disagree with Trump sending in any federal help to deal with what is going on in Seattle. The people there are reaping what they sowed by electing progressive Democrats. Like Texas Republican, unless any federal property is damaged, I say let them destroy themselves. This will be a valuable lesson for them. And I feel we would be depriving them of this if we sent in help.

 

More like Poopiestan.

 

That will work.

 

Neither Trump nor his minions want to send help. All they want is to make Liar in Chief appear strong.

 

Thats right. The businesses burned and looted, the massive destruction of property, people killed, the hundreds of police injured, those are real.
Floyd George's death was real. George was arrested for committing a crime- and far from his first, and he was on drugs when arrested. There was cause to arrest George. There was cause to say the cop used excessive force and is responsible for the death. Nobody anywhere argued otherwise. The consequences for the cop were strong and happened fast. All that is real.

Given the balance and swift movement of justice- what kind of people would ignore that and go on a crime spree? CRIMINALS. Not protestors- criminals wanting an excuse to hide behind.
HOW ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES FOR LOSS OF LIVES AND PROPERTY AND INJURIES DONE BY RIOTERS? NOTHING REAL THERE, IS THERE?
But of course, that is different because they were just protesting injustice while they were loading stolen loot into stolen cars. We're not going to do anything about that. At least, if you have anything to say about it.

[QUOTE}Taking action against any police force is not even slightly easy. It is not just a matter of voting and/or changing policies. It's a matter of establishing a very different direction.
For example, in Minneapolis the police representation elected by the police themselves was known to proudly wear white supremacist emblems in public. Any chance that some policy change is going to alter that is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

That "white supremacist" emblem. That would be a badge?? A uniform? An American flag pin? These morons on the left say that being white in an insult to them, an emblem of racism, and that IS totally racist. Even statues are an insult, Unless they are of MLK, who was about as despicable a person off-stage as they come. That's different, because he spoke words people liked part of the time, even if they were stolen. Sorriest excuses for human beings I can imagine.

It shouldn't be easy to take action against police. It should require evidence- not anger. Action against police brutality in Minneapolis is apparently burning all their cars while you loot the city's stores. In Seattle, it's insurrection and seizure of millions of dollars in property. You defend that.

You just continuously deny the undeniable reality. Nobody anywhere is talking about protecting unjust police action, about refusing to review and reform police rules and procedures. There is a strong objection to that process being dictated by the criminals, however. And the people presenting their demands ARE criminals. Why are you not grasping the conflict here? You are supporting crime by calling it protest. That's like saying you shot an innocent person at random to object to other people doing the same thing.

EVERY person who wants to have a hand in writing police policy, including every mayor, councilman, etc- should be required to spend a couple weeks with a police patrol, and it must include things like responding to domestic violence calls, man with a gun calls, violent crime calls. Until you have been in there shoes, you don't know s h i t about their job, and you are unfit to criticize it. I wonder how nice a guy you would be if people threw urine on you, called you pig, insulted your family and heritage and got in your face for hours doing it. If you had to go a call where a small girl was raped and brutalized.... YOU need that experience, because you have no idea what the job requires of these people. Absolutely none.

When you can do my job better than I can- THEN you can tell me what I'm doing wrong. That is never more appropriate than in the police profession.

"Policing fails when the citizens and the police aren't WORKING TOGETHER"
Guess what? That means the police protecting the public from violence and criminals. Having to sort them out in the face of endless excuses and dodges. You obviously can't do that, but you expect them to do it perfectly every time??

Good people want to live in safety, to not have to worry about criminal violence and brutality.
The people who live with respect for others are the good citizens. They pay the taxes that make the world go around. The trash who make their living stealing from others, living off family and producing nothing- fail to meet the definitions of a good citizen, or often even of a citizen. When you don't want justice to apply to you- you aren't working with anybody for anything good.

It unfortunate you can't tell the difference between crime and justice, protest and riot, right and wrong. Come back when you figure it out.

 

Ruby Ridge?

 

The feds had no problem with Waco.


Why not these other cult controlled areas?