What do democrats need to do to win the 2024 presidential election?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Oldyoungin, Dec 19, 2023.

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What's it going to take?

  1. Arrest their opponent

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  2. Reintroduce covid stay at home orders

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  3. Stuff ballot box

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  4. All of the above

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    1. Mexico isn’t interested in that
    2. It was a humanitarian nightmare. But I don’t expect that to matter to the right.
     
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    No, I really don't think they would. Nor do they let anyone get a stage with them in a primary to gain name recognition and popularity, like Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy are getting, both of whom have lower numbers than Marriane Williamson.

    How many Democrats even know Marianne Williamson is running or that she isn't actually the crazy crystal lady they spun her as years back? And how many Democrats have ever heard of Dean Phillips?
     
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    Uh huh.

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    1. Trump had those arrangements with Mexico. Biden reversed that policy as soon as he took office.

    2. The U.S. can’t be the welfare state to the world. Once the illegals really overstay their welcome, they will end up like America’s homeless. The number of homeless in what you think are “ideal states” like California and New York are quite high. You precious little Biden only wants them here for their votes. Otherwise he doesn’t care about them any more than the right does.
     
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    This about sums up the entire Trumpian position on the "evidence" of voter fraud in 2020......the fact that they actually believe if there was real fraud "as claimed" in 2020, that they'd have a chance for Trump to win is 2024 is a conundrum that poses serious difficulty!!! :D
     
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    More like Democrats who still believe the Russia hoax but whatever.
     
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    No what we have now is a humanitarian nightmare. Under remain in Mexico most stayed home. And we not the cartels controlled out southern border.
     
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    Hasn't happened yet. Illegals tend to keep their noses clean.

    IMO, the problem with mostly Spanish-speaking people immigrating here is we don't have a mix of people with different languages and cultures feeling a need to integrate themselves into our society.
    If the Democrats were keen on rounding up votes, they do more for the majority whites.
     
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    We still control the border--if we want to control it. I remember growing up in Los Angeles and hearing about Braceros. We have all but invited illegals here for more than 75 years, going back to needing farm labor during WW2.

    https://guides.loc.gov/latinx-civil-rights/bracero-program

    I think it was entirely reasonable for the government to bring in Latinos. In 1942, we didn't know we were going to win.

    Since the war, financial interests supporting both parties, have pushed for legal immigration and look-the-other-way illegal immigration. At times, Republicans have pushed back against both legal and illegal immigration, focused on illegals coming from mostly Mexico, but also other Central and South American countries. What's going on now is a product of longstanding policies pushed by financial interests exacerbated by the festering sore in Venezuela, the leftwing government in Mexico, and economic problems in other Central and South American countries.

    I think the only way to end this problem is have a national ID card--an electronic passport of sorts--that among other things identifies you as a citizen or work visa holder and someone entitled to engage in business or seek employment. We can tell a prospective employer you are who you say you are and someone entitled to seek employment. It could be modeled on the Nexus Pass. We can read them with smartphones. If every employer has to check on every employee, even someone who works for a few hours, subject to nasty fines and jail terms for egregious offenders among employers. We have to cut off the money attracting them. No job, no money and no reason to stay. If you're caught here without a visa, or caught here working without citizenship, permanent residency, or a work visa, out you go.

    I'm not saying don't let anyone in. Some people we want here. We decide who, how many, and under what circumstances people are admitted. If we're moved to help people, we may find more deserving people who are unable to get to our southern border.
     
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    And that is my point we can control the border any time we want. The Biden admin simply doesn't care to do so.
     
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    Neither did Trump, although I think Biden's record is worse.

    Trump had two illegals working in his private suite at his New Jersey golf course for a couple of years. There's no way the Secret Service didn't know who the two illegals were. Nobody works for the President without being checked out. I don't think the pols are taking the problem seriously enough, including Trump.

    I don't know who in the Democratic Party is holding up Old Joe from doing something, but they're damaging the brand.
     
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    NONE of the options listed in the poll.

    what it might take is just improving on what they are doing now. ( working on the inflation, establishing some effective ideas to deal with th emigrant issue, keep supporting Ukraine as Ukraine must win this invasion from Russia or the world dynamics will be altered. Establish some firm ground rules with Israel. . and hopefully , they would cooperate. Maybe leave the gun issue alone. If people want to kill each other or en mass....that is just the bi product of gun ownership on such a vast scale. Let the legal system deal with the killers. The whole weapons' debate is stale , and repetitive. .and goes nowhere. If that sounds callous, then so is the amount of radical gun defenses that don't consider all the aspects of the situation. Reality.......folks will not let go of their weapons collections.......... and nor will they change their attitude as after all , it is their "right". Making any possible or practical weapons laws or rules a dead end conversation. That dye was cast a long time ago. So be it.
     
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    Trump did actually care the Trouble is the Democrat leadership does not, nor do Neocons.
     
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    They need to quit obsessing over Trump and take a long hard look in the mirror instead of telling Americans that everything's just great, seemingly unaware that Americans go to the grocery just about every week. Americans know that things aren't great. Prices are up about 20% since Biden took office and wage increases aren't anywhere near that.
     
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    I'm not sure Dems can survive winning. Their crazy wing will take it as validation and get even crazier. They have well established influential faction that rejoices over the mass rape and murder of unarmed Jewish civilians. They are better off taking the loss and rebuilding with a message that is closer to the American Mainstream, like Bill Clinton did with the DLC in the late 80's and early 90's. Prior to Clinton they had lost 5 of the last 6 presidential elections.

    I found this interesting: Times Call for Presidential Leadership, Integrity, Not Empathy: Poll.

    https://archive.is/qcMMD

    'If researchers for Florida Atlantic University are correct, the era of swooning over political candidates who claim to feel our pain is over. In a recent poll that asked respondents to rank the qualities they sought in a president, adults living in Florida ranked empathy dead last.'

    'potential voters in Florida prize integrity and leadership by a wide margin over intelligence, stability and empathy.'

    We're looking for capable representation. If we want empathy, we'll look to our family and friends.
     
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    If he cared, he wouldn't have had two illegal maids working in his private suite at his golf facility.
     
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    Except he didn't. And the guy at the top doesn't hire the maids assuming it isn't a maid service.
     
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    The Secret Service checks everybody. They knew.
     
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    Then why didn't they tell him?
     
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    Who says they didn't?
     
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    You need to prove they did. Further you need to prove trump actually hired them.
     
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    Are you claiming the Secret Service didn't investigate long-term employees working in Trump's private quarters? Nobody said to them, "Who are you and why are you here?"
     
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    I think Dems need to take the loss and rebuild; winning would destroy them.

    What's Behind Bribed Joe's Sliding Poll Numbers?

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    Bribed Joe’s sliding poll numbers indicate that 'he might lose the 2024 election to Donald Trump. Trump is currently the favorite to win next year’s election.'

    'The most recent RealClearPolitics Average has Trump leading Biden by 2.3 percentage points, a switch of about four points since late summer when Biden led 45%-43%, and in a long-running decline of seven points for Biden since he won the 2020 election with 51% percent of the popular vote.'

    'Bloomberg poll showed Trump well ahead (by an average of five points) in the seven swing states of Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. It appears the most significant factor in recent months is a surge in support for Trump (from 43% to just above 47%), while Biden has essentially remained stuck in neutral.'

    'Joe Biden is an unpopular president, almost as unpopular as any president in the post-war era. According to the RCP Average, just 40% of voters approve of his handling of the job. His ratings have been falling for more than two years since the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021. Not coincidentally, voters also take a dim view of where the country is heading, with 68% percent saying it is headed in the wrong direction and just 25% in the right direction.'

    'The president’s ratings have gotten steadily worse over the course of this year. More than 60% of voters say Biden “has moved too far to the left” on policies important to them. Voters are also pessimistic about the economy: 47% say things are getting worse while just 22% say they are getting better, according to a recent Economist/YouGov poll. These are alarming numbers for an incumbent seeking reelection.'

    'Biden is also underwater on nearly every major issue. According to an early December Wall Street Journal poll, Trump is favored over Biden on the three issues voters say are most important to them: the economy (52%-35%), inflation (51%-30%), and securing the border (54%-24%). Voters also favor Trump over Biden on crime, the Russia/Ukraine war, and even the war between Israel and Hamas. These latter two ratings, on Ukraine and Israel, undoubtedly surprised Biden and his supporters, who assumed that voters would endorse his policies in regard to these conflicts.'

    Bribed Joe was never strong and he keeps getting worse. Voters are vote class not skin color trashing the DNC's divisive plan to form a majority based on hatred of other Americans. Indies are looking at the economis and away from Bribed Joe.

    Bribed Joe's voters lack enthusiasm. So Bribed Joe is running on his hatred of Trump and his supporters and working for a felony conviction of Trump in a rigged Courtroom before the election.

    Voters know Trump and the great job he did. Voters have heard all the claims about Trump's supposed criminality even while it becomes undeniable that Bribed Joe has made millions selling his offices and dodged the taxes on his bribery income.
     

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