What Don't You Like About The Gay Community?

See ,the "Gay and lesbian" community as distinct from your local homosexual community are 2 totally different things .

The "gay 'lifestyle chooser wouldn't be able to contain themselves as it is also based on a drug culture ,the gay drug culture .see thats another aspect of being 'Gay and lesbian" it means you ncan take drugs in fact it is near prerequisite to admission.

Estimates from ACON,puts ampetamine use amongst "gay and lesbians " as 3 times the average .With lesbians leading the way .

no that was the homosexual noramal people in your community ,not the Gay and lesbian crew i can assure you.

 

Spoken by a true ANTI-SCIENJTIST,which you attack with your "Gay and lesbian' stupidity.

Ok then mister middle class smarty pants ,describe why "gay and lesbian" are Sexualities ,genders or orientations ?

You and yours waffle on about "human rights ' yet you don't vote as group on anything ,we call that D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y,so the Gay and lesbian community as well as being ,near nonexistant ,Anti-scientific is undemocratic as well .

so being Gay is a lifestyle that attacks the most advanced form of human thinking called SCIENCE !

Much like the church ,who you say is so horrible to gay people yet you want access to marriage the last social bastion keeping religion going .Sorry politics and history don't work that way!

Gay is nothing more or less then a fashion statement of the middle class lifestyle.

Whereas,homosexuality and we note your Homosexual phobia,is a sexual orientation and sexuality though not a GENDER!

Gender is Male, Female, Neuter,in this universe ,or don't gay and lesbian people study science ,to busy with their lifestyle choices at the time or something .

oh and as far as it being just semantics ,as you and your Homosexual phobic friends keep bleating ad- infinitum,ask the young people who got bashed for being "Gay" in Moscow the other day .

i bet the Lesbian contingent started it ,provocation on legs the man hating lesbians.

Gay and lesbian are life style choices not democratic nor human rights,and definitely not in the tradition of Civil rights.

 

Well, you are entitled to your opinions, though I disagree. As a bisexual, I harbor no ill-will toward my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. However, I would simply ask them to be mindful about erasing the problem of biphobia within their communities, which serves to unnecessarily divide queers as a community when we are already as a whole so persecuted by heteronormative society. The San Francisco Human Rights Commission found that biphobia is indeed real and relatively prevalent, leading bisexuals to have higher rates of depression, drug abuse, and suicide, having been double-rejected by both heterosexual society and by the gay community. Bisexual Invisibility:Impacts and Recommendations

While gay men are more than seven times as likely to commit suicide, bi men are more than twice as likely as gay men to commit suicide, almost 18 times as likely as straight men.

 

finally a bisexual to talk to,the reason that we confront such pressures is because we are told by the gay and lesbians that we are really GAY,if only we realise it!


last year in melbourne australia ,as reported in the sydney Star Observer ,the chant from our "gay and lesbian friends " towards normal bisexuals was "stop fence sitting you are gay admit it"and " there is no such thing as Bi ,its Gay"


lovely biggoted predjudice comments ,But then again Sticks and stones will never harm me ,if a gaqy says it to my face I will smash his.Oh deary's did the big tough working class bisexual express his disatisfaction.

BTW,the gay and lesbians who control the hiv\Aids organisation called ACON in NSW do not allow services to bisexuals or hetrosexuals with hiv\Aids ,even though they recieve $14 000 000 of government taxpayer funding specifically earmarked for Hiv\Aids services to the Inclusive NSW community.

Be Bisexual or hetrosexual and you have a snowballs chance in hell of getting anything but shown the door as you are kicked to the curb.killed many the Lesbian and gay community ,visious and inhumane is the gay and lesbian Community ,killers of the Hiv\Aids infected is the gay and lesbian Community .

As distinct from my Homosexual brothers and sisters.

Death to the LGBTIQAPC.They have killed enough bisexuals and hetrosexuals who were unfortunate to contract Hiv\Aids over the last 25years.

What type of animals try and establish a political movement based on hijacking human empathy surrounding the Aids epidemic.[LGBT]

we never heard from the LGBT until Aids came along ,now did we?

Funny that !

Homosexuality ,bisexuality Hetrosexuality are not lifestyle choices as we know ,but "Gay and lesbian ' are!

 

Oh look the funny farm rolled in.

 

??? Societal pressure causes gays to have so many sexual partners? I could imagine societal pressures against homosexuality leading to fewer sexual partners but cant imagine how you are going to blame the levels of promiscuity among gays to be the fault of societal pressure. Seems to me to be nothing but the oh so common trait of homosexuals to blame society for any problem among gays.

 

Its a "pride" parade. They focus upon what makes them proud to be gay.

 

"The Constitution does not require things which are different in fact or opinion to be treated in law as though they were the same."

 

Normal homosexual people don't?

Look...We don't want to hear about your latest conquest, who you're dating, and certainly don't give a darn when she throws your misogynist ass out on the street so don't cry on my shoulder! Don't hold hands on the street! Don't kiss that woman! How disgusting and abhorrent!

We've had the heterosexual agenda pushed on us since Day 1.

 

You are in the minority. Most bisexuals succumb to the peer pressure and CHOOSE to identify themselves a hetero or homosexual

 

Would be hard to put something like this in a public park

 

Homonormative society cant deal with the concept of bisexuals who have a choice to live as heterosexuals, homosexuals or bisexuals. They probably get more pressure to live as homosexuals from the GLBTQ community than they get pressure to live as heterosexuals from the other 95% of the community.

 

Not all gay people are about the 'show'; you fallaciously assume that they are.

 

How is that shown to be so? I know gays who have no problems with bisexuals and straights who definitely accept bisexuals. And what does heteronormative society think of 'asexuals' with an agenda? (One has to wonder.)

In any case, people need to stop judging others, unless what others are doing somehow affects them.

 

No we don't.

Homonormative society?

The "pressure" you describe is primarily an old people problem (and even then only a minority), not one faced by younger generations with a much more rational understanding of how sexual orientation works and how each member of the LGBTQ rainbow has his or her own unique identity. Sexuality is a fluid thing, not a static or black-and-white issue.

Perhaps the problem with biphobic gays is also especially overstated among people who encounter only middle-aged upper middle class white gay men who were raised with that different level of understanding of sexuality (and who often develop an elitism of their own). The ideas of "biphobia" or "transphobia" are certainly completely non-existent in the queer liberation sort of crowd I associate with.


Bisexual men who are dating men are not gay. Bisexual men who are dating women are not straight. Orientation is not changed based on whom one dates or has sex with. It is an enduring, lifelong pattern of attraction.

 

Your post and especially the above, are SPOT-ON!! I know that it is true in two important ways:

1. Scientific research has supported your claim.

and

2. It is what I've seen in my own life and that of thousands of people I've met/known.

 

I have a theory that if and when societal stigma against homosexuality decreases, there will be fewer people claiming to be "bisexual". Perhaps, like closeted married men hanging out at public restrooms, their status is based on fear?

 

Yes, the stigma against homosexuals makes it difficult for them to form loving, long-term relationships. Stigma leads to poor mental health, substance abuse and risky sex. These challenges lead to risky, promiscuous behavior among some homosexuals. Not all of them but more on average.

http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/stigma-and-discrimination.htm

 

You NAILED IT! The numbers of people on the down-low are probably significant.

 

On the contrary, the number of bisexuals is already grossly underreported, and bisexuality is highly invisible to society, especially among men. It's true that one reason is it is much easier for a bisexual to just hide it and live a heteronormative life, but it is also true that the biphobic stigmas and traditional lack of support from the gay and lesbian community for bisexuals have often made coming out as bi a dead-end.

A few fake "bisexuals" might announce that they are really gay as homophobic stigma decreases, but their numbers would be dwarfed by the number of fake "heterosexuals" or even "homosexuals" who are really bisexual and would finally feel free to identify as such, regardless of whether they are in heterosexual/homosexual relationships.

I recall reading an article not too long ago by Dan Savage (someone who's been justifiably accused of both biphobia and transphobia over the years) noting that the statistics indicate there are more bisexuals than gays and lesbians combined in the population, yet so many bis live closeted lives and bisexuals remain largely invisible, unheard from by society. Then again, I would argue that people like Savage have contributed to the atmosphere where a kid growing up attracted to both sexes decides it isn't worth coming out as bi, only to be subjected to discrimination and ridicule by both straights and gays.

 

They make my father rage.

 

The law does require persons who are similarly situated with respect to a particular law to enjoy its equal protection. It does not require them to be identically situated.

 

If we agree the sexuality exists along a spectrum and is not neatly divided into people who are 100% straight, 100% gay or 50/50 attracted to both sexes, then allow me to ask your consideration of this:

If a person's feelings of attraction are directed primarily toward one sex with only incidental attraction to the other, does it make sense to characterize this person as "bisexual"? Technically they would have bisexual interests, but that label doesn't tell us anything about the degree of split. If the person has no interest in pursuing only incidental sexual attraction outside their primary feelings of sexual attraction, or experiences emotional attachment of a romantic nature only toward one sex, does it make any sense to characterize that person as "bisexual"? Technically they would have bisexual interests, but those interests would not be equivalent between the two sexes.

Of course, there's always the exceptional case of a person whose feelings of attraction are primarily directed toward one sex, but who unexpectedly experiences romantic attachment ("falling in love") with a person of the other sex.

The plain fact is that while sexual attraction and romantic attachment are usually in sync regarding the sex of the person of interest, this isn't always so.

Is one incident of attraction or behavior enough to usefully characterize a person as bisexual?

To me, what makes sense is to accept that while many people may not be 100% interested in only one sex, most experience their interest being directed primarily toward just one sex, and will identify their sexuality accordingly. Exceptions to this are just that - exceptions. None of which negates that sexuality lies along a spectrum or that it is multi-layered; it simply acknowledges the reality that as a practical matter, most people self-label in the direction of their primary experiences of attraction.

People who identify as bisexual are more likely to be toward the center of the spectrum. It seems clear that they are minority in that position, just as those primarily attracted to the same sex are. The practical reality is that most people are primarily attracted to the opposite sex and identify therefore as heterosexual. I am therefore disinclined to buy into the idea that most people are really bisexuals faking it as heterosexual or homosexual. A potential to experience attraction toward both sexes is far from being the same thing as having an orientation that is not solidly differentiated toward one end of the spectrum or the other. In other words, technical bisexuality isn't the same thing as practical bisexuality, and people are going to think of their sexuality in practical terms; that of the primary direction of their feelings of attraction.

 

I believe, it is up to the individual to characterize him or herself, not to others. Someone who is attracted to both but generally prefers the same-sex (or different-sex) I have sometimes seen may classify herself as a homophile (or heterophile) bisexual. I think people who are very much skewed in one direction or other would probably identify as homosexual or heterosexual, maybe just leaving the door open as being bi-curious.

Again, I don't choose to characterize people other than myself. I'm not in the brains or their hearts, I don't know who they are attracted to, what their feelings are toward people of the same-sex or of a different sex.

Yes, and they are free to do so.

Once again, unless we are talking about some homophobic closet-case politician or pastor, I see no reason to attempt to force a label onto someone that he or she does not identify with.

Of course true bisexuals, perfect 3s on the Kinsey scale, with maybe some wiggle room toward 2 and 4, are going to be a minority. But no more so than true gays or lesbians, perfect 6s with maybe some wiggle room toward 5. The statistics I saw cited, which are kind of low overall, estimate that 1.8 pct of the U.S. adult population is bisexual, compared to 1.7 pct gay or lesbian.

However, I don't see any reason to doubt that there are many people out there living in heterosexual or homosexual relationships and lifestyles, identifying as straight or gay, who experience more than incidental attraction or feelings for the sex they claim not to be interested in. It remains their prerogative to decide who to identify themselves.

Though when I was talking about many bisexuals being closeted, I did in fact mean true bisexuals of the 2-3-4 range, not people who might just have a passing deviance from their normal attraction patterns. And biphobia in both the straight and gay communities is a major contributing factor to that problem. If people are only choosing to identify as gay or straight out of fear of discrimination if they were to identify as bi, that is where I see a problem that needs to be rectified.

Anyway, sexuality is a much more fluid thing than we often assume, but especially so for people who identify as bisexual or pansexual or just even as "fluid". Many such people, including myself, would tell you that our attraction patterns are not static and rigid, but can change from day to day, from person to person. Some days we may lean toward heterophilia, other days we may be homophilia. But sexual orientation is of course an enduring lifelong trait, not something that changes from day to day.

 

Very reasonable and well-said.