What evidence exists that Blacks and Whites have equal intelligence?

Thanks for illustrating you've never taken any college psych.

 

How is this a valid comparison?

 

According to this then, large numbers of blacks and Latinos must be voting Republican, then.

 

You dodged the question. You obviously believe that race is a determinant of general intelligence and harp about the existence of a Black-White IQ gap which you believe is primarily caused by genetic differences related to intelligence between races.

So my question to you again is, how do you explain the lower average IQs of Native Americans and Latinos if "Mongoloids" are more intelligent than Whites?

This presumes that you accept that Mongoloids are more intelligent than Whites which we already know is true since you constantly talk about East Asian superior performance on IQ tests being caused by genetics. Mikemikev has gone the route of presenting a just-so story about a founder effect causing Native Americans to have lower intelligence, for which he has no evidence. You dodged the question altogether.

If you wonder why I am shortening the exchange it's because of your ridiculous twisting of what I have said. So I'm going to focus on this one point for now.

 

For Heavens sake, what difference does it make? People are all over the place with intelligence and nothing can be gained by trying to find a 'winner' by race.

 

I can prove:

a) Minorities have low IQ compared to Whites
b) Overwhelmingly vote Democrat

Can you do the same?

 

Brain volume moderately correlates with IQ.

Whites have a size-ably larger brain than Blacks.

Every study has found different cognitive ability between Blacks and Whites; I suggest you find one that doesn't, rather than me cherry-picking one of hundreds.

You could try reading the thread if you want your sources.

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How about giving the blind person extra points for being blind?

Is that unfair?

 

Not all Mongoloids are more intelligent than Whites; only East Asians have higher IQ.

Hence why I asked to which group of Mongoloids are Native Americans most closely related.

If you want to talk about Native IQ, why do Australian aboriginals have significantly lower IQ than Native Americans?

Strange, but they have the second smallest brain volume in the world.

Wonder if that has anything to do with low abo IQ?

 

What, show that highly educated white people vote Democrat more than white high school dropouts, that's been shown so many times ....

 

Cool name calling vs. science bro.

 

I know some really smart black people and some really stupid white people so that means that black people are smarter than white people.

Since IQ is not an effective measure of overall intelligence, using such data for comparison across racial, ethnic or national lines is of questionable value.

I'd take a good creative problem solver any day over somebody with a high IQ largely attained thru good spacial recognition skills and a large vocabularly, for example.

 

Cool. Whites are the best creative problem solvers.

There is a consensus that IQ measures intelligence due its strong correlations with academic and employment achievement.

And do you have some kind of difficulty with the mathematical concept of 'average'?

 

Would the abomination of hypocrisy be so prevalent, if there was no need for that form of "affirmative action"?

 

He probably can.

All one has to do is go to youtube and find videos of low IQ conservatives completely embarrassing themselves.

 

No, they don't vote Republican because they see conservatism for the failure that it is. Asians too for that matter.

The GOP has the low IQ vote. They built an entire voting bloc of low IQ voters starting in the 1960's actually.

 

You fail to understand the concept of what averages are. You also fail to understand the concept of what IQ is and measures. And finally, your off-the-cuff dismissals of IQ studies have no scientific basis which is why you aren't citing a scientific source.

Have a nice day.

 

evidence of such?

yes within the culture they are biased towards there is no doubt that a good vocabularly is correlated to academic and employment achievement.

Since you are so enthralled by IQ testing, you should know that the average IQ in america is below 100.
Though, through no fault of their own, those average people are kinda dumb.

Or havent you noticed the catering to and manipulation of, the lowest common denominator that is readily apparent in media and politics?

 

It matters when one race is singled out and blamed for the lack of socioeconomic progress of others.

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What are America's demographics and what are the averages of each demographic within it?

 

I am familiar with the "concept" of averages.
I thoroughly understand the concept of Quotient testing of intelligence and what it measures and doesn't measure.
And my "off the cuff" dismissal of standard IQ testing is most definitely based on scientific research in this regard.

Might want to take a step back and learn something yourself.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb03/intelligent.aspx

the above is an informative article about intelligence testing published by the american psychological association

http://news.sciencemag.org/2011/04/what-does-iq-really-measure

"Kids who score higher on IQ tests will, on average, go on to do better in conventional measures of success in life: academic achievement, economic success, even greater health, and longevity. Is that because they are more intelligent? Not necessarily. New research concludes that IQ scores are partly a measure of how motivated a child is to do well on the test. And harnessing that motivation might be as important to later success as so-called native intelligence. "



http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/254374.php
"Calculating a person's intelligence using a quotient test (IQ test) is actually very poor and misleading, according to researchers from Western University, Canada. They conducted a study to observe the efficacy of using IQ tests to measure intelligence and published their findings in the journal Neuron. "

http://www.psy.vanderbilt.edu/courses/hon182/overview_of_intelligence_testing.pdf

This vanderbilt paper is an excellent assessment on current testing, its efficacies and deficiencies and where intelligence and cognition theories and testing are going.

have a marvellous day yourself.

 

http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

Here is a paper that explores the issues of race and cognition. Its about as unbaised as you can get on the subject.

THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

 

And here's the problem.

Most of your information comes from media articles whereas most of mine comes from college psych classes and the textbooks that I kept from those classes.

The APA article says nothing nobody already doesn't know, you however seem to think it means that current testing is invalid somehow. That is not the case. It's been proven valid by the scientific method which is why it's still used.

"New research" means a single test shows something you like, as opposed to the accepted consensus on the topic that I was taught that I speak of here.

Media are known for selectively posting articles that question the consensus on the topic of IQ, because the numbers are not pretty to look at.

As usual, laymen without a sniff of college psych attempt to use single studies as proven fact by consensus due to their personal dislike or discomfort on the topic of intelligence testing.

"New research" from a study here or there NEVER overrides consensus.

 

More specifically, northeast Asians. Southeast Asians have markedly lower average IQs.

 

Oh dear, one of those.

Well my sources for science are usually from media that caters to professional organizations such as the apa or actual peer reviewed papers.

But since you've taken a college course, and have the textbooks to prove it, I suppose you expect us all to defer to your "expert" opinion?

Your strawman on "new research" is duly noted.
And as for taking single studies, are you somehow expecting me to link to the long list of studies in this area?

From what I can see of your response, your arrogant dismissal is misplaced regardless of the textbooks.

 

I just had a conversation about this subject a few months ago, but it was about Asians and "Whites". I agree with some of the posts below -- it's not so simple. You have to take EVERYTHING into consideration. I don't know if you can generalize this. I feel that African Americans are finally being given the chance to evolve as equal as they can in our society today, and eventually their potential as an ethnic group will begin to emerge. AA's have been suppressed for so long, ya know? I don't know -- equal intelligence is kind of hard to prove, I think.