What gives persons rights?

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  1. prometeus

    prometeus Banned

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    Has anyone ever attempted to talk you out of celebrating Christmas?

    If you need display in public parks to celebrate Christmas maybe you are not in tune what is really celebrated.

    Under communism in Eastern Europe there were no displays anywhere and people managed to celebrate Christmas and remain true to their faiths. It seem that for some it is no longer the real relationship with God that faith is all about but how much of a piety can one display and boast without really living it.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nonsense and hyperbole

    "Our belief is that these new applicants have been working together to displace and push out the nativity scenes from the park...

    Damon Vix is behind the effort to allocate the spaces by lottery...

    Vix now helps other atheists acquire the park spaces, including American Atheists Inc. and the Freedom From Religion Foundation."


    http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_19536634

    Seems to me Atheists are nothing but a bunch of intolerant cry babies.
     
  3. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Weren't the Christians aware the spaces would be dispensed by lottery this year? Sounds to me like they are the ones crying! Crying, because they feel entitled to the spaces because they have had exclusive use of them for 57 years!
     
  4. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    No proof :bored:
     
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    It is hilarious that the whiny no Christmas liberals don't lobby to have it removed as a national holiday. Why is that? The principle apparently doesn't trump a day or two off.:lol:
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The "war on Christmas" is a myth perpetuated by whiny "persecuted" Christians. Separationists are not against Christmas (many of them are Christians themselves). They are only opposed to having religious beliefs imposed on them by those who want to plaster religious displays on public property and even demanding which holiday greeting to use. Christians should be content to decorate their own homes and churches, and not encroach on the rights of others.

    Happy Holidays!
     
  7. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    So how does this make sense when Christmas is a national holiday? Christ-mas, you know the holiday that honors Christ's birth!
    Christmas is Christmas. Saying "happy holidays" is just silly!
     
  8. prometeus

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    Do you think it is not silly, in such a multicultural society as ours, to assume that everyone is Christian and celebrates Christmas? How meaningful are wishes of Happy Ramadan to you?
     
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    'Multiculturalism' is a word socialists use to divide a society. America is a culture unto itself. In that culture there are many ethnic groups. Creating separate cultures is only divisive. Socialists like to use such words as 'cultural diversity', 'cultural identity' etc. This aids in brainwashing the 'sheeple' into dividing themselves. Once a society is divided, then one can seize power over the different groups by fomenting racism and race-baiting. (see Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton for examples of divisive actions)

    Now we see the atheist 'culture' that seeks to divide America into pro and anti-Christmas camps. 'Diversity' does not mean creating separate cultures, it means tolerance toward those with different traditions and views and embracing each other's differences. Not separating ourselves into tribal clans and claiming outrage at another group's beliefs.
     
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    Really? who told you that your pastor?

    Yes that can be said about us in a broad sense.

    And many religions and many who do not have one. Point is that many do not celebrate Christmas.

    Not showing your religion down other's throats is not creating division, but maintaining that which unites us.

    Talk about brainwashing. It is you who suffers from paranoia, that somehow you must wear your religion on your sleeves and stick it under everybody's nose.
     
  11. Whaler17

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    Well I am intelligent enough to know hat uttering the name of a holiday does not make you the member of any particular religion. You...not so much!
     
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    So he must bend to your will and never utter a word about his religion? The founding fathers hated people like you.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First off, Prom never said any such thing. Just because Prom believes that Religious people should not be able to force their beliefs on others by threatening violence, imprisonment, fine or other coersion through use of state law.. does not imply that folks should not be able to practice their personal religion.


    This is what the founding fathers promoted and it was Religious folks forcing their beliefs on others that they hated.

    The constitution was, in part, created specifically to keep Religious folks from forcing their beliefs on others. (Freedom "from" Religion)
     
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    You misunderstand what she/he is saying. Simply uttering their beleif is tantamount to forcing their beleifs to some of these moonbats.
     
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    The topic/thread is abortion. There are folks who are against abortion for religious reasons (though most of these try and hide behind some other reason).

    Religious groups getting together and lobbying the govt to make laws based on these beliefs is "forcing" beliefs on someone.
     
  16. prometeus

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    Of course not, he can shout it from any roof top or street corner he wants. Clearly you lack the capacity to understand my posts, so why not just ignore them instead of spouting your usual idiocy?

    Actually they hated people like you, that is why they excluded ignorant people from being able to vote.
     
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    You are deluding yourself again...
     
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    Once again you prove me correct!
     
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    Yes...In fact, Atheists have stuck their dirty little noses in Christmas by buying would-be Nativity scene spots in Pallisades Park. This was not just 'talk' it was an offensive attack.

    Spare me the holier-than-thou lecture. What...Do you now want to stop Christmas decorations along public roads? Perhaps you'd like a law against displaying Christmas symbols in folks front yards...After all, the face public roads in most cases. The local mall has angel depictions as well...Should they be taken down? Does that really offend you? Take a look in the mirror, are you green as is your heart really tiny? LOL

    Ya and we all know how 'joyous' places like East Germany were....
     
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    Is this the way they attempted to stop you from celebrating?

    You are really having serious comprehension issues. Are houses and malls public property? Have I at any time opposed celebrating Christmas in my posts?

    No they were not joyous at all, but not because there were no Christmas decorations. Clearly you have only heard about it, you should have visited and experienced it along with the real meaning of faith those people who did not have to wear their on theirs sleeves, had and enjoyed.
     
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    Just like all abortion supporters truly hate children and consider them punishment (although they hide bahind some other nonsense)?

    Abortion promoters getting together to force legalized abortion homicide is tantamount to forcing your beliefs on someone else.
     
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    LOL, most choice supporters either have children or plan to have them in the future. It is being FORCED to bear children that is punishment, and children should never be used as a punishment.

    Nobody is suggesting that forcing abortion would be a good thing. Force is rarely a good thing. OTOH, choice....
     
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    What else could it be? Christmas has no meaning for Atheists and they conspired to buy spaces that would have had Nativity scenes. It doesn't matter what I believe, that is wrong. Did they (atheists) have a right to bid on those spaces...certainly...But it represents on assault on Christians.

    And YOU are having trouble comprehending what you read? I said single family residences typically FACE public roads and their displays can be clearly seen from PUBLIC roads. What about a City's main street? No Christmas decorations allowed? No stars, no angels etc? You better get off your duff because most cities are violating your summary law. Also, shopping malls can be owned by a City and the parking lots (which also have Christmas decorations) can be public owned as well.

    My reply was directly related to YOUR post where you wrote:

    So...We are all supposed to celebrate Christmas and keep our mouths shut so YOU won't be 'offended?' What do you want, some kind of communist dictatorship? Or maybe you would like Atheists to take up arms and FORCE Christians to take down all their Christmas decorations? How are YOU offended by a Nativity scene? There is a word...it's called tolerance. Get some.
     
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    How is a woman 'forced' to have children? Isn't that called rape? Isn't rape a crime?
     
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    Withholding a perfectly safe medical procedure in order to "force a woman to give birth" is "forcing a woman to have children. What's so hard to understand?
     

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